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I know that, but I don't want to start a company, just get a job, any IT-related job.
If you are planning to look for a job rather than start a company, you really should get your degree. If your classes are not stimulating you enough, perhaps you could try training for programming competitions (TopCoder, Google Code Jam, ACM ICPC). Doing well on those could be a good differentiator on a resume.
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#42I started college fulltime at 18. I started in physics, switched to IT. This was 1997.
I was working in the field for the likes of IBM and Xerox by the time I was 19. School quickly became deprioritized. This was 1999.
9/11 hits. This is the same year, or year before, I would have graduated on-schedule. A month later, I get laid off of an extended contract I'd been working for a year. For the better part of the next eight months, I can't get an interview aside from one job in Montana. MONTANA! I scrape by on freelance work. I land a job paying 50% of my last salary. After six months I switch over to a job paying 70% of my last salary -- still very disappointing, but livable, barely.
End of 2005, I quit that job and go back to Xerox for a second contract. Almost returned to my pre-9/11 salary. I happen to wrap up my associate's (AAS) degree in IT at this time. Six months later, I relocated to be closer to family. That job, in 2006, finally put me substantially over my pre-9/11 salary, at about 80th-85th percentile for my role nationally, and about 95th percentile for my role locally.
My independent consulting work starts growing significantly around this time.
In late 2008, I finally crossed the six figure mark in fulltime salary. I also made a healthy five figures in indie consulting in 2008 and 2009.
It would have helped me, I think, to have a degree PLUS my experience after 9/11. I don't think a degree alone would have done much for me -- all my four-and-out classmates were out of work and/or getting paid less than I was myself.
Does my AAS help me now? Doubtful.
Would a bachelor's help? Not salary-wise ... but it would be a nice step on the way to that Master of Science or MBA that I've always wanted ...
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#43Get the degree. I dropped out because it was boring me, now I regret it. 1. I'm labelled a "dropout". That's a good thing if you manage to make a success of yourself, otherwise it might as well say "loser". 2. People consider me less serious than if I had a degree. I've actually been in conversations with people where, despite my 6 years of commercial experience and numerous successful projects, they've discounted my…
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#45"Because I don't really need to work on things I sometimes forget that I have assignments to do, and that resulted in me only having one of the three exams I was supposed to this spring, because I missed two hand-ins." Danger! I got some great advice from a high school teacher once, when I was in a similar situation (questioning the usefulness of the curriculum): You only get to say it's substandard once you ace it.…
I agree to an extent. I've gotten the 2 following questions on exams of mine wrong. Tell me what you think of the fact that I call them substandard even though I'm not acing the tests.
Which of the following is a primary color? A) pink B) Yellow C) green D) brown # I don't really remember A and D.. but according to color theory both B and C are primary colors depending on the color wheel you're using. The answer wanted was C I said B. the teacher wouldn't give me credit although I could empirically prove that B was a primary color and was taught as such in grade school.
what will i be when the loop exits while ( i the correct answer to this question is completely dependant on what i is initialized to which was not in the test. I think the question was a little different. I assumed it was initialized to 0. The tested wanted it to be initialized to 1. This teacher gave us credit.
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#46Re: Ask HN: Should I get my degree or not?
#47In the end, it doesn't matter who you are, where you're from or what education you have. The only things that matter are whether you're excellent at what you do, that you have proven that you're capable of getting stuff done and that you'd fit in with the rest of the team.
If you start your own business, none of this is relevant, of course. As long as you ship something a sufficient large number of people are willing to pay for, you're set.
But most people work for others, and you probably will too before you've gained a sufficient level of experience to do your own thing. To get a job in the industry, you'll have to prove all of the above, and sufficiently impress myself or my peers elsewhere in the industry to get your inside the door.
An education is a great asset to start with. That piece of paper proves that you have at least three years of experience working with relevant subjects. If you've spent your time well and got to know all the industrious people at your university, you might already know someone working where you're applying for a job. That often gets you to the interview.
But that piece of paper is far from enough. I need to see that you've done something with your life, that you've _created_ something. It doesn't matter if it's contributions to an open source project, running the servers of your student organization or building your own business on the side. Show me that you care, that you love what you're doing, that you're capable of getting stuff done. If the classes are easy, you'll have plenty of time to do other stuff I'm more impressed by.
But do not, under any circumstances, get crappy grades in subjects that are “too easy”. It is _not_ beneath you. You'll do boring and easy tasks even if you're a superstar, and that line of Cs on your transcript is a big, blinking warning sign I cannot ignore. If you don't care enough, you're better off without that piece of paper. Do your own thing, then, but you'll have to work twice as hard to prove yourself.
Not that it's impossible, of course. I have no education. Straight out of high school I applied for a five-week internship at my current company. I got good references from another employee, so I did get to the interview, and I did get the internship. And after eight days, I had a permanent job.
The pay was horrible, the work was - well, entry-level - but that was fine. As long as I could prove that I was great at what I was doing, I could advance. And so I did.
After two years I had the job I really wanted from the start. It was excellent. And after a few more months, I was promoted to be head of my department, despite being the youngest person on the team.
Three years later, my peers are finishing their degrees and applying for jobs. I'm very happy with my decisions so far in life, and think I've learned more this way than I would have done at a university. But I've had to work very hard to get here.
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#48If I were you I would try to figure out how to go to school in the USA. It's expensive but I think worth it. You would kill two birds with one stone. Plus, I think it's better to start out in school, rather than move to a new place and jump into a job. You meet a lot of friends, learn interesting things, and have fun. I have worked on a visa in a foreign country, and it is a lonely and kind of boring existence.
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#49Re: Ask HN: Should I get my degree or not?
#50If your degree in CS is too easy and feels useless study something difficult. If money up front is not an issue you want a university degree. Even if considered as nothing more than a meaningless credential, university degrees pay off over time. More now than ever. But it needn't be a mere piece of paper. If your classes are teaching you things you already know take different classes . When you've studied physics up…
If your classes are teaching you things you already know take different classes. I knew a guy who was an amazing programmer. Wrote his own operating system and did projects like real-time ray tracing and speech recognition while in high school. He decided to get his degree in physics specifically because he felt he already knew most of the CS stuff, but didn't know a lot about physics. His line of thought was why go…