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Re: Chrome Won

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Post by WorldMaker »

wordupmaking wrote: post #494
WorldMaker wrote: post #476

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F12 has becomes something of the universal key for Dev Tools in the browsers. It's not compact, but it is super useful and does have all the information and more. Most browsers even offer Profilers to get detailed stats on CPU and Memory usage. Sure, it doesn't explain to average users why the webpages they view might be slow, but average users don't care.

Average users don't care about encryption either, yet we still have the padlocks for those who do. More importantly, average users are not creating browsers, and the people who know better can't hide behind them. The average smoker probably doesn't want to hear smoking is unhealthy. Does that mean doctors should adjust their advice respectively? At what point does "professional" really mean nothing other than "gets m…

"This website is running long running scripts", "This website is not responding": those are already equivalents to the smoker warning that show up from time to time.

But what is any user supposed to do with a blinkenlight telling them what they already mostly know: that a website is bloated/slow/eating their machine slowly? If there was an alternative website, maybe they'd already be using it. If they thought complaining to the site's owners about it, maybe they already had or are already aware that they'd be shouting into a careless corporate void. That mostly just leaves uselessly blaming their browser for a blinkenlight that tells them something they already know and can't care about.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by kuntau »

true_tuna wrote: post #482
MBCook wrote: post #61

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The problem is we're moving extremely fast to a chrome only world. If it wasn't for corporate sites and the success of the iPhone chrome would probably be dominating the way IE used to. I definitely run into sites that only work on chrome and not in any other browser. In my opinion chrome isn't doing a good job either. It's a massive energy hog and waste more CPU than it needs to. Unlike IE and FireFox and Safari it…

I switched to Opera recently. Got sick of finding Chrome hogging insane amounts of resources. I'm quite happy with it (built in VPN and Adblock!) I don't feel like anyone is trying to force me back to Chrome. Choice and competition are key. Chrome and Firefox did great things, but never forget that competition is the real hero.

I don't know if you're serious or not. But current Opera engine is the same as Chrome; Blink.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by mbrookes »

walterbell wrote: post #108
mbrookes wrote: post #106

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Way to change the subject! Read what you wrote (in the context of the current discussion). Desktop software is alive and well. I don't like the size of the Apple Tax any more than you do, but to suggest this market doesn't exist is laughable.

Was your link about desktop app store or mobile app store revenue? I was differentiating between: - pre-app-store (side loaded / direct download) desktop revenue on Windows and Mac - "app store" desktop revenue on Windows and Mac The former is subject to software piracy. The latter enforces software licensing but has a huge tax and poor marketing support. Nevertheless, Windows (on desktop) is following Apple's lead (…

You're right - that was the top result for "Apple Mac App Store Revenue", but I didn't read the content carefully enough.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by johnsmith21006 »

ryandrake wrote: post #392
MBCook wrote: post #61

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The problem is we're moving extremely fast to a chrome only world. If it wasn't for corporate sites and the success of the iPhone chrome would probably be dominating the way IE used to. I definitely run into sites that only work on chrome and not in any other browser. In my opinion chrome isn't doing a good job either. It's a massive energy hog and waste more CPU than it needs to. Unlike IE and FireFox and Safari it…

I think a "Chrome only" world like the IE-only world we had years ago is a long way away. I don't know how long Chrome has been out, but in that time I have literally never used it. I've never needed to. I could not have made that statement about IE during its heyday. It was nearly impossible to use PCs in any way without using Microsoft. If you never got to experience the Internet in the late nineties, early 2000s,…

> I think a "Chrome only" world like the IE-only world we had years ago is a long way away.

"Microsoft has lost over 300 million browser users in 2016, mostly to Chrome, tracking site shows"

Not going to take very long at this rate. Appears to be accelerating. Personally just use Chrome as for me extremely stable and when tried Edge it was not stable. I do a lot of surfing and often times have a lot of tabs open and can not remember the last time a tab crashed.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by johnsmith21006 »

toyg wrote: post #304
microcolonel wrote: post #299

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> Unlike IE and FireFox and Safari it comes from a company that is notorious for wanting to know everything about you. Are you suggesting that Chrome gathers data about you? Because unless you tick that box (which they show pretty prominently) it doesn't. It doesn't by default in most linux distribution packages. > Unlike IE I don't know if you've been following, but Microsoft is now the king of knowing everything ab…

> People forget that Microsoft made box-model No, I didn't forget. But you forgot to say that MS did all that with draft specifications or even no spec at all (XMLHttpRequest), just to beat everyone to market, then refused to correct their implementation once the standard was revised and agreed by others. And they sprinkled ActiveX on top, for good measure. > developers (and their managers) lapped it up Disagree. Dev…

Actually people are not taking the default on Windows but instead using MS browser to download and install Chrome.

"Microsoft has lost over 300 million browser users in 2016, mostly to Chrome, tracking site shows"

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by johnsmith21006 »

andrepd wrote: post #64
gkoberger wrote: post #51

I agree with this blog post. But I don't think Mozilla lost. I worked for Mozilla for a few years, after seeing John Lily (CEO at the time) speak. It was right after Chrome started getting popular, and a smug person in the crowd asked him about how he felt about Chrome. John's response was awesome. "This is the web that we wanted. We exist not because we want everyone to use Firefox, but because we wanted people to h…

We cannot possibly be talking about the same Google. This is the Google of AMP et al. You think they won't do the exact same thing Microsoft did with IE when they find themselves in a similar dominant/monopolistic position in the market? You're sorely mistaken. We already find many examples of websites and Web apps that work only on chrome or the chrome "web store". This not to mention the surveillance and privacy nu…

Disagree on Google doing same as MS. They already could have on multiple fronts and have not. Vastly different corporate cultures.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by JoshMnem »

eloisant wrote: post #351
JoshMnem wrote: post #164

Firefox took marketshare from IE when that was impossible. It could do it again with Chrome, if things change a bit. Some problems with Mozilla are that they don't do community management well any more. In the old days, there were amazing grassroots-driven projects like spreadfirefox.com. It is not like that any more. Grassroots supporters have trouble participating, even if they try. For example, I tried to create a…

Firefox took marketshare from IE because Microsoft abandoned it for several years (IE6) then did an half-assed update with IE7. It was a big pile of poop and Firefox succeeded not because it was a great product because because it was the right product at the right time. For Chrome on the other hand, its near-monopoly situation is worrisome but it's actually a pretty good product. So there is no pragmatic reasons to l…

Firefox took marketshare from IE, because IE was terrible. It had no tabs. ActiveX was a security risk. Mozilla had amazing community management back then, and the community was completely in love with the product.

Many of those core supporters have been lost, because Mozilla stopped listening to them.

Chrome was able to gain users rapidly, because Google put a Google Chrome ad in the corner of the search results pages, claiming that it was faster, even when that claim became dubious.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by johnsmith21006 »

glogla wrote: post #229
home_boi wrote: post #119

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But there is more than just web browsing. Microsoft owned the entire platform at one point.

Google owns Android, the most used computing platform in the world. It is official, Google is the new Microsoft.

Google corporate culture is vastly different than MS during their heyday.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by JoshMnem »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #435
JoshMnem wrote: post #164

Firefox took marketshare from IE when that was impossible. It could do it again with Chrome, if things change a bit. Some problems with Mozilla are that they don't do community management well any more. In the old days, there were amazing grassroots-driven projects like spreadfirefox.com. It is not like that any more. Grassroots supporters have trouble participating, even if they try. For example, I tried to create a…

> They're killing off the API that it depends on. Because they have to. Firefox could remain an unusable single-threaded XML behemoth, but what point is there in your wonderful extensible browser if it's an unmaintainable slow mess?

It may be true that they have to abandon it, but they should be very careful to listen to developers on what features the new API should have. Extensions like Pentadactyl keep some of their biggest supporters from leaving Firefox. Having those kinds of true fans is like having free employees that will tirelessly evangelize your product. It's cheaper to cater to them and have them do your marketing than hiring marketing employees.
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