Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data with private parties
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#2"This same declassified FISA ruling also held that Obama’s NSA conducted improper searches of “upstream” surveillance data on Americans for years" -FTA
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#3Oh lord, this is so shocking! /s
Why is state intelligence even a thing? The military is capable of gathering all of the defensive intelligence that we need to protect ourselves.
These state cowboys are out there making deals and cracking my WiFi to see what porn I'm watching in the name of counter-terror.
Nonviolent threats do not necessitate or validate state intelligence imo.
Re: Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data with private parties
#4Oh lord, this is so shocking! /s Why is state intelligence even a thing? The military is capable of gathering all of the defensive intelligence that we need to protect ourselves. These state cowboys are out there making deals and cracking my WiFi to see what porn I'm watching in the name of counter-terror. Nonviolent threats do not necessitate or validate state intelligence imo.
>Why is state intelligence even a thing? The military is capable of gathering all of the defensive intelligence that we need to protect ourselves.
What are you saying? The military IS the state.
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#552 points 2 hours and this is on page two.
Not a big surprise given how pro Government HN commenters can be.
Re: Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data with private parties
#6Oh lord, this is so shocking! /s Why is state intelligence even a thing? The military is capable of gathering all of the defensive intelligence that we need to protect ourselves. These state cowboys are out there making deals and cracking my WiFi to see what porn I'm watching in the name of counter-terror. Nonviolent threats do not necessitate or validate state intelligence imo.
Because the military isn't supposed to act domestically under normal circumstances, to prevent other kinds of abuses.
So we have a federal police organization separate from the military, theoretically trained to obey the rules of domestic operations (eg, constitutional protections). And it is that police organization which handles intelligence about, eg, terrorism and foreign spies that originates inside of the country.
There are some caveats about cooperation between different agencies, but I'm not going to try and defend those as they currently exist -- the domestic police shouldn't have access to some of our spy apparatus that doesn't obey domestic laws.
However, there is a legitimate reason to have a domestic police force separate from the military, and a legitimate need for them to have some intelligence operations, to eg crack terrorist rings and track spies.
Re: Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data with private parties
#7Here's the actual source document.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FI...
It appears to be proper judicial oversight of national security operations.
Unsurprisingly, having the rule of law applied even in the pursuit of those who seek to end it is smeared by those who would prefer to weaken the United States' national security and the institutions of liberal democracies the world over.
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#8Url changed from http://hotair.com/archives/2017/05/26/fbi-illegally-shared-s..., which points to this.
Re: Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data with private parties
#952 points 2 hours and this is on page two. Not a big surprise given how pro Government HN commenters can be.
That of course has little to do with it. You sound familiar enough with HN to know how many major threads about surveillance this site has hosted in the last 4 years. Probably hundreds of them by now.
The original site was penalized the way all partisan/political sites are penalized here. We changed the URL to the article it pointed to.
Re: Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data with private parties
#10Here's the actual source document. https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FI... It appears to be proper judicial oversight of national security operations. Unsurprisingly, having the rule of law applied even in the pursuit of those who seek to end it is smeared by those who would prefer to weaken the United States' national security and the institutions of liberal democracies the world over.
> Unsurprisingly, having the rule of law applied even in the pursuit of those who seek to end it is smeared by those who
Please don't post grandiose ideological rhetoric here. It's flamebait, and we're trying to avoid what that leads to.