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Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by Klathmon »

kuschku wrote: post #204
Klathmon wrote: post #78

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Do Mini's have some other kind of display in germany? Because they have a center mounted dash cluster.

The Mini has a tiny LCD screen just above the wheel showing all the same information as the center dash cluster: http://i.imgur.com/fxa308W.jpg Specifically, above the wheel you have to see total range, speed, and fuel/battery status.

Hunh, so I'm assuming then that the prius must have some changes there, or it's just not sold...

As I knew someone that owned a 2012 prius that has literally nothing behind the driver's wheel (along with my wife's old saturn, but I'm almost positive that wasn't sold in europe).

Actually now that i'm thinking about it, it seems about 30% of the cars in my life have had the main dash cluster in the center of the car!

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by issa »

ItendToDisagree wrote: post #118
issa wrote: post #113

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This is actually incorrect. When you ask a German how far away another city is, their first question will be: "What kind of car do you drive?" The biggest difference is that in Germany, the speeds are more sustained. In the US, cars generally drive in whatever lane they feel like, so your speed is constantly changing. So even a difference of 180 vs 140 will be significant. (and it could easily be 200 instead of 120).

This is untrue. Are you seriously attempting to use a colloquial joke as some sort of evidence? While Germans are a bit more conscious of driving in the left lane when not passing, what you are saying neither makes sense, nor is it applicable, especially in any amount of traffic. It also totally discounts the vast amount of road construction and maintenance that Germans continually do on their roadways (infrastructur…

I'm absolutely relying on anecdotal evidence. But I spent more than a decade on tour with a band driving vans all over the US and Europe. I've been on almost every stretch of highway in Germany and America many, many times, and I was extremely familiar with travel times between cities in all seasons and conditions. So yes, still anecdotal evidence, but a whole lot of experience behind it.

Obviously construction (anywhere) affects travel time. But in the US the highways have more exits, cops running radar, and there's ALWAYS someone going slowly in the left lane. Unless you're in the western desert states, it's pretty hard to maintain a steady speed. By contrast, everyone in Germany knows how to drive, and everyone follows the rules about keeping right and passing left.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by bjelkeman-again »

hwillis wrote: post #186
Roritharr wrote: post #6

I'm really interested in the topspeed. For german customers all the current gen EVs(Bolt/i3/Leaf/Ioniq) with a topspeed of 140-150km/h are to my opinion not really save to drive on the Autobahn as you don't have some speed buffer to overtake someone who's driving 120-130km/h fast enough. If Tesla manages to give the Model 3 a top-speed of 200km/h that would be a game-changer and make it a viable car for me. The Model…

The top speed of the 60 kWh model S is 210 km/h, and the model 3 should have a battery of 50-55 kWh. If it were a model S, that would put it's top speed at 195-203 km/h, but the model 3 is smaller and lighter, so the stop speed should be close to 210 km/h.

The Model S60 is software limited to 210 km/h. The S75 with the exact same battery has 230 km/h as top speed.

The low end Model 3 battery pack according to Teslarati will be 60 kWh. But even with 55 kWh it should achieve 210 km/h.

http://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-battery-pack-216m-mod...

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Post by Rayearth »

anindha wrote: post #103
Tostino wrote: post #97

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No, it was because Ford holds the trademark for Model E: http://insideevs.com/ford-motor-company-filed-for-model-e-tr...

Why not drop Model from the name? Porsche 911 vs Porsche Model 911. Tesla S vs Tesla Model S.

That, or they could try switching up the descriptor:

Tesla Type T

Tesla Version V

Tesla Mark III M

Tesla Ausf. A

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Post by dragonwriter »

vvillena wrote: post #80
kuschku wrote: post #68

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It is not in the EU, and Germany has made it clear that, unless the Model 3 gains any other driver display, it will be banned from European streets. This will be interesting.

What? There are lots of european cars without driver displays. This is an example from 2003: http://imgur.com/a/AXMNn

The example shown has speedometer and other info on a display above the wheel and on the driver side, which is a driver display. Yes, it's near the centerline, but it's at a place the driver naturally can view it with a very small change in eyeliner from the road (or in peripheral vision while watching the road) not a centered display level with the wheel like the console display on the Model 3.

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Post by hangonhn »

bjelkeman-again wrote: post #209
hangonhn wrote: post #179

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I think your response is a bit narrow and takes my response out of context. It also ignores a number of other issues to make electric cars look better than they really are. 1. Electric cars use a lot of copper and lithium. Mining of both are horribly polluting. The worst EPA superfund site is a former copper mine. Lithium mining is also pretty bad. However they are at least localized. Electric cars still need power,…

As someone who uses the autopilot v1 constantly, for me it really isn't a novelty feature. Driving 6-7 hours on motorway/highway, the car drives 80-90% of the way. Yes, I have to pay attention and supervise the car, but I am definitely less tired at the end of the drive. Edit: spelling

That's a really good insight. Having never experienced that, I would have never imagined how the middle ground between full attention and complete autonomous driving could be a good place. That's definitely something for me to keep in mind.

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Post by dragonwriter »

Klathmon wrote: post #211
kuschku wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Mini has a tiny LCD screen just above the wheel showing all the same information as the center dash cluster: http://i.imgur.com/fxa308W.jpg Specifically, above the wheel you have to see total range, speed, and fuel/battery status.

Hunh, so I'm assuming then that the prius must have some changes there, or it's just not sold... As I knew someone that owned a 2012 prius that has literally nothing behind the driver's wheel (along with my wife's old saturn, but I'm almost positive that wasn't sold in europe). Actually now that i'm thinking about it, it seems about 30% of the cars in my life have had the main dash cluster in the center of the car!

> Hunh, so I'm assuming then that the prius must have some changes there

The Prius has an above-the-wheel driver display (source: I drive one, and have been in every generation of Prius sold in the US, and my wife drives a Prius C) in addition to the center console touchscreen.

It's higher, and nearer the centerline, than the old behind the wheel displays, but that is to allow your eyes to not come as far from the road in looking at it.

That's quite different (in a sense, diametrically opposed) from having the only display be a center-console touchscreen that isn't above the wheel.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by bjelkeman-again »

davidpelayo wrote: post #43

35k with no free use of supercharger, makes me think it doesn't worth it. I don't want to buy model 3 to be only around my town. That's the biggest downside, from my perspective.

Paid for supercharging, where I live, is still cheaper than petrol. Filling at home is about 1/5 of the price per km compared to an BMW 330i. If I would have to do paid for supercharging it would still be less than half of the price for a petrol km. [1]

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/6ddqln/fuel_co...

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

monitron wrote: post #63
Nursie wrote: post #58

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Having to look down and over to see the speed seems like a big change from basically every other car on the road. Is this even within regulations in most places?

Check out the Mini or Prius. Both have the primary driver display (like speed) centered away from the driver: http://imgur.com/a/Z2Z5p

My Prius Prime has two speedometers, an on/off HUP in the lower left field of view, and the sort-of-centered display common to all Prius-es.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by ltdanimal »

freerobby wrote: post #102
iplaw wrote: post #88

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Almost every vehicle, even budget sub-compacts, have driver displays now. The utilization of that display varies from nigh useless (odometer, oil minders, etc.) to very useful (navigational directions, at-a-glance music selection via steering wheel based controls, etc.). Removing this display from the Model 3 seems like a design choice intended to artificially distinguish and demote the Model 3 from the Model S.

It's a design choice toward a self-driving world, where instantaneous road notifications are less important to a person in a car than they are today.

I feel that's a cop-out. A fully self-driving world is easily 5 years away, and even then why would I not want relevant info in front of me?
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