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Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by vkou »

johnward wrote: post #116
iplaw wrote: post #86

There is a misconception that the Model 3 is the most advanced Tesla model simply because it is the newest Tesla model. This was cannibalizing the sales of the Model S more than Tesla expected it to. Buyer who could afford a Model S or Model X were waiting for the Model 3 because they were under the mistaken belief that the Model 3 would offer all the newest, cutting edge technologies and self-driving capabilities. A…

I really want to meet the person that thinks a $35k car is going to be better than a $100k car...

Well, there seems to be a misconception that there are hordes of people who are legitimately confused about the subject.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

#202

Post by icantdrive55 »

hangonhn wrote: post #179
crush-n-spread wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I could never drive a ICE car when an equivalent electric vehicle presented itself. I would never forgive myself. Everyone needs to get to electric cars as soon as possible or we cook and die here on Earth. It makes the arguments about the interior seem really tone deaf. Again, personally. EDIT: Autopilot and constant software updates are huge.

I think your response is a bit narrow and takes my response out of context. It also ignores a number of other issues to make electric cars look better than they really are. 1. Electric cars use a lot of copper and lithium. Mining of both are horribly polluting. The worst EPA superfund site is a former copper mine. Lithium mining is also pretty bad. However they are at least localized. Electric cars still need power,…

"If someone is as passionate about the carbon emitting issue as you, they can already do that with Nissan Leaf, BMW i3, or Chevy Volt. They don't need to wait nor pay more for the the Tesla Model 3"

1. I don't get it either. Then again--I don't think like a wealthy person. I am drooling for my first electric vechicle, but not willing to spend a lot of money. Plus, as a former mechanic, I want to be able to do all the repairs, including modifying/flashing new software. That might never happen, so I might need to build my own electric vechicle?

2. I do think they are the future though. Form a practical point, they have less things to go wrong. It will be so nice not to have to worry about a transmission that goes at 140k, and not having to worry about smog tests, and all the crap that fossil fuel cars bring.

3. We need to modernize the electrical grid. Since the vechicles are pulling electricity at night, it won't be an immediate problem, but we will eventually need more Power, and better state by state management of the grid.

4. I really think Tesla is making a mistake by not open sourcing certain parts of their software.(just the basic operating system, not the AI portion.) A few years ago, I wanted to buy a wrecked Tesla, and soon found it's practically impossible. Yes--guys wreck them, but you just can't repair them, and get a Salvage title.

I buy old vechicles and repair them. I can't do that with a Tesla. I know the founder of Tesla knows the old marketing adage, "If you win over a man, you have him for life."

If I had ten minutes with "forget his name--Musk", I would beg him to let the little guys get their hands on wrecked Teslas. Once you win over the Shade Tree mechanics, you might have a product for life. Right now, I just appreciate the Technolgy that's hidden in Teslas. Aesthetically, they look like every other vechicle in my community. Just boring.

4. I do see forsee a big vechicle manufacturer building an affordable, good looking electric vechicle, and blowing away Tesla. Something along the lines of the the old Ford Mustangs.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by stupidhn »

ganley wrote: post #79
mattei wrote: post #70

I find it interesting that there is no mention of autopilot.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/03/tesla-is-underselling-autopil...

Option 1: Autopilot isn't where Tesla wants it, and they are trying hard to get it up to snuff, since so much has been made about how far ahead of everyone else Tesla is.

Option 2: In the opinion of a Tesla analyst who works for a bank that underwrote Tesla capital raises, it's a strategic move because the Autopilot is so awesome that it will eat away at Model S sales, though the mechanism by which that happens is unclear. And of course, Elon Musk is known for keeping things close to the chest.

I mean, it could be option 2, but I know where I'd put my money.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

#204

Post by kuschku »

Klathmon wrote: post #78
kuschku wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not in the EU, and Germany has made it clear that, unless the Model 3 gains any other driver display, it will be banned from European streets. This will be interesting.

Do Mini's have some other kind of display in germany? Because they have a center mounted dash cluster.

The Mini has a tiny LCD screen just above the wheel showing all the same information as the center dash cluster:

http://i.imgur.com/fxa308W.jpg

Specifically, above the wheel you have to see total range, speed, and fuel/battery status.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by brianpan »

abraves10001 wrote: post #195
jedberg wrote: post #175

I was at a Tesla dealership the other day, and the "sales associate" or whatever they call them was really pushing me away from the Model 3. He said, "Think of it like an electric Civic. It has no luxury features. The dashboard is a flat board like a picnic table. It has no speedometer or any gauges in front of the driver (it's all on the touchscreen in the middle). It doesn't have air conditioning on the passenger s…

Unbelievable. Like, I literally don't believe it.

What's unbelievable? I was in the market for a Mini Countryman and the Mini rep was pushing me away from it and warning me that it was underpowered. I could see people having a certain expectation of Minis being zippy cars. It's not ideal, but better than selling someone a car they don't want.

Or is it unbelievable that salespeople tell the truth when they aren't on commission? :)

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by kuschku »

monitron wrote: post #63
Nursie wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having to look down and over to see the speed seems like a big change from basically every other car on the road. Is this even within regulations in most places?

Check out the Mini or Prius. Both have the primary driver display (like speed) centered away from the driver: http://imgur.com/a/Z2Z5p

That’s actually false.

The Mini has a tiny LCD screen just above the wheel showing all the same information as the center dash cluster:

http://i.imgur.com/fxa308W.jpg

Specifically, above the wheel you have to see total range, speed, and fuel/battery status.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

#207

Post by pentae »

johnward wrote: post #116
iplaw wrote: post #86

There is a misconception that the Model 3 is the most advanced Tesla model simply because it is the newest Tesla model. This was cannibalizing the sales of the Model S more than Tesla expected it to. Buyer who could afford a Model S or Model X were waiting for the Model 3 because they were under the mistaken belief that the Model 3 would offer all the newest, cutting edge technologies and self-driving capabilities. A…

I really want to meet the person that thinks a $35k car is going to be better than a $100k car...

Trust me, you don't ..

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

#208

Post by cyrildorsaz »

I shared this note 2 months ago on my linkedin. Still valid today. https://www.linkedin.com/hp/update/6256148575126986752

Tesla is facing a potential big problem. New buyers are holding off and are waiting to see the final specs and price of the Model 3. This could harm a lot Tesla sales until Elon Musk reveals to the public the Model 3.

I also believe Tesla did a mistake by naming the Model with a number. In the mind of many people, 3 is what comes after 1 and 2 (S & X). People are used to this because of the iPhone naming convention.

Tesla is reaffirming that the Model 3, despite its name, is not a version 3. It will be the entry level of the brand and if people want to buy the best performing car that Tesla can produce, they should buy a S or a X now.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

#209

Post by bjelkeman-again »

hangonhn wrote: post #179
crush-n-spread wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I could never drive a ICE car when an equivalent electric vehicle presented itself. I would never forgive myself. Everyone needs to get to electric cars as soon as possible or we cook and die here on Earth. It makes the arguments about the interior seem really tone deaf. Again, personally. EDIT: Autopilot and constant software updates are huge.

I think your response is a bit narrow and takes my response out of context. It also ignores a number of other issues to make electric cars look better than they really are. 1. Electric cars use a lot of copper and lithium. Mining of both are horribly polluting. The worst EPA superfund site is a former copper mine. Lithium mining is also pretty bad. However they are at least localized. Electric cars still need power,…

As someone who uses the autopilot v1 constantly, for me it really isn't a novelty feature. Driving 6-7 hours on motorway/highway, the car drives 80-90% of the way. Yes, I have to pay attention and supervise the car, but I am definitely less tired at the end of the drive.

Edit: spelling

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

#210

Post by ltdanimal »

cyrildorsaz wrote: post #208

I shared this note 2 months ago on my linkedin. Still valid today. https://www.linkedin.com/hp/update/6256148575126986752 Tesla is facing a potential big problem. New buyers are holding off and are waiting to see the final specs and price of the Model 3. This could harm a lot Tesla sales until Elon Musk reveals to the public the Model 3. I also believe Tesla did a mistake by naming the Model with a number. In the min…

I disagree. While there may be some that are holding off, they will know the specs in the next couple of months. At that time those people will be queued up and either buy the S,X or the 3, and totals sales wont be impacted at all
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