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Can we assume that any packages that are not Gnome related from the Debian repos are in the Devuan repos?
Some things that need work: - The logo. Logos are very affordable. I would consider revisiting this logo, buying a new one or organizing a contest. Believe it or not, many people use t-shirts with the Debian logo and I assume that's some source of revenue stream. I do not see myself wearing a Devuan t-shirt with this logo. Right not it looks like a logo for a UFO cult or some cheap Internet cafe. - The information on…
Great to see they are making headway. Wonder about the long term sustainability though, as more and more software such as GNOME3 DE lists it as a dependency
It's a mystery to me that people still associate linux desktop with gnome. The gnome project has a long history of not caring about users or developers and prioritizing their view and their brand.
We need to do more to ensure projects do not create lock-ins especially gratuitous ones from single companies that make it difficult for people to use for instance Gnome without systemd.
This kind of lock-in can only lead to bad outcomes and make developing future alternatives and improvements more difficult.
Also its time Systemd defines a scope and decouple and brand any additional functionality beyond an init differently so it makes it easier to inter-operate and pick and choose both for users or distributions. Or you have distributions like Debian for instance voting for an init system but getting all the externalities that were not voted for ending up becoming defacto choices.
Great to see they are making headway. Wonder about the long term sustainability though, as more and more software such as GNOME3 DE lists it as a dependency
Under Debian you can run GNOME under other init systems thanks to Debian+Canonical creating systemd-shim (alternative to logind). Under Devuan you cannot use GNOME (they don't offer it). This as Devuan claims that it is impossible (despite being possible within Debian) (!)
This task package is used to install the Devuan desktop,
featuring the GNOME desktop environment, and with other
packages that Devuan users expect to have available on the
desktop.
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They were told to by debian. They argued for as long as they could while debian was still 'their' distribution to change the direction systemd would take it. It was clean that wasn't going to happen. Final response; "If you don't like it you can always fork. But you'll never release anything." So now they have forked and they have released. So now their splitters. Cake and eat it types, what can you do?
> They were told to by debian. I don't follow. Are you saying that representatives of the Debian project refused to collaborate with the Devuan developers with regards to improving init system interoperability?
Great to see they are making headway. Wonder about the long term sustainability though, as more and more software such as GNOME3 DE lists it as a dependency
Under Debian you can run GNOME under other init systems thanks to Debian+Canonical creating systemd-shim (alternative to logind). Under Devuan you cannot use GNOME (they don't offer it). This as Devuan claims that it is impossible (despite being possible within Debian) (!)
I am not Linux admin, but I've been using Linux managed by others on servers for many, many years and I have a question: Is that 'systemd' thing is so crucial and important to devote so much effort to create brand new Linux distribution. I have only vague picture what systemd is doing, I can imagine that there could be something better (as always in IT), but is this really that important?
Earlier quoted context omitted.
They were told to by debian. They argued for as long as they could while debian was still 'their' distribution to change the direction systemd would take it. It was clean that wasn't going to happen. Final response; "If you don't like it you can always fork. But you'll never release anything." So now they have forked and they have released. So now their splitters. Cake and eat it types, what can you do?
> They were told to by debian. I don't follow. Are you saying that representatives of the Debian project refused to collaborate with the Devuan developers with regards to improving init system interoperability?