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Re: Chrome Won

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Post by froydnj »

pjc50 wrote: post #330
StevePerkins wrote: post #137

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I understand that people who like rust REALLY like Rust, but you do realize that your examples of a purpose for existence consist of: 1. A programming language, that hasn't yet shown "escape velocity" to go beyond D and other would-be-C++-successors in traction. 2. The only major application of that language... a pre-alpha browser engine, which may or may not eventually replace the engine in a browser that is serious…

> Mozilla is an organization with over $400 million in annual revenue. Where that money is going baffles me. This is astonishing. Anyone looked at their accounts?

All sorts of people do, since Mozilla's financials are publicly available. See the audited statement at the end of https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2015/

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by vanderZwan »

nialv7 wrote: post #291
MBCook wrote: post #61

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The problem is we're moving extremely fast to a chrome only world. If it wasn't for corporate sites and the success of the iPhone chrome would probably be dominating the way IE used to. I definitely run into sites that only work on chrome and not in any other browser. In my opinion chrome isn't doing a good job either. It's a massive energy hog and waste more CPU than it needs to. Unlike IE and FireFox and Safari it…

To be honest, all browsers currently on market are energy hogs and use massive amount of memory. God I miss the old Opera....

I do wonder how much of that is the browser's fault, and how much is because of website developers not understanding that we have a website obesity problem[0], nor the concept of "optimizing for fan noise"[1].

I'm fairly conscientious about this myself since I'm working on plotting data, and the dumb client-side number crunching involved is actually pretty good at eating CPU cycles.

Most plotting libraries want to show off how smooth and incredible their animations are. What I really want to know however is: does your library keep updating the canvas at 60FPS, or does it only refresh when the data does and idle otherwise?

[0] http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm

[1] http://prog21.dadgum.com/61.html

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by sp332 »

wolco wrote: post #159
zacmps wrote: post #87

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Chrome is improving on the resource usage front. It's far from perfect but it's getting better. As for privacy you could use the open source chromium, there's a fork somewhere which has all the Google removed.

On windows firefox does everything in one thread while chrome opens many. Depending on the usage both can be fast or slow. Firefox handles multiple tabs better. Chrome handles multiple tabs of videos better

This hasn't been true since last August when it hit release. Multi-process (which I'm assuming you meant instead of multi-thread) has been enabled by default since January, except in specific cases where it's likely to cause compatibility issues. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis#Schedule

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by voidmain0001 »

I use SRWare Iron, a privacy aware derivative of Chrome. It's fast, supports the Chrome store, and claims to send less data to Google. In the end though, what does it matter if Google owns the browser? The browser could change to a non-Google product and they will still collect their data on everyone regardless.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by vanderZwan »

pjmlp wrote: post #258
qznc wrote: post #240

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The Mobile OS war can still be continued. Mozilla should join forces with Lineage OS instead of wasting time with their own. Do the embrace, extend, extinguish strategy with Android. Secure messaging is also still a hot topic. Join forces with Signal or Wire or Matrix or XMPP. For example, Wire intends to open source their server code and enable federation [0]. Voice control requires some weight for an Open Source so…

I don't know a single Android user that even knows what Lineage OS is all about.

I never heard of it before, and this about page isn't exactly helping:

https://lineageos.org/about/

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by sp332 »

imron wrote: post #295
MBCook wrote: post #145

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I see telemetry as fundamentally different from the kind of data that you want to use to push advertising to people.

So you think the telemetry is not going to help with things like this? https://www.extremetech.com/computing/245553-microsoft-now-p...

They seem to have sent that to everyone, so there's no targeting, and telemetry won't make a difference.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by _jal »

MBCook wrote: post #145
Arizhel wrote: post #126

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>Unlike IE and FireFox and Safari it comes from a company that is notorious for wanting to know everything about you. That's not true. Microsoft has now gotten into the spying business, and is infamous for the Windows 10 telemetry. They're basically copying Google. Firefox and Safari are the only ones that come from companies that aren't notorious for wanting to know everything about you. And Firefox doesn't try to g…

I see telemetry as fundamentally different from the kind of data that you want to use to push advertising to people.

There is no clear line to be drawn between the two, and it really depends on the use to which the data is put, something that's opaque to end users.

Sure, error reporting feeding in to a QA database is one thing. But is there the capability to target Win10 OS ads to, say, folks with old video cards? I'd be very surprised if someone in Redmond didn't think of that.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by PatentTroll »

dEnigma wrote: post #321
krzyk wrote: post #275

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Chrome handles few tabs better, Firefox handles hundreds of tabs better.

This ultimately was what made me switch back to Firefox after I had used Chrome for a couple of years. I regularly have several hundred tabs opened in my browser, and Chrome was completely unusable in that situation, at least back then.

Honest question: why do you use hundreds of tabs at the same time? Why not bookmarks and leave a couple of the most important ones open? I have never understood the use case for "hundreds" of browser tabs
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