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Re: Chrome Won

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Firefox sends the DOM hashes to Google just like Chrome.

Can you explain this? I've never heard of "DOM hashes" before.

Not "DOM" but a hashes of the URL or a part of it, to check if the domain or URL is "safe." Also downloads are checked. And AFAIK it's more nuanced, there's also a database that can be checked and allow "offline" checks. But it would still be interesting to find one independent serious analysis of the behavior.

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> Unlike IE and FireFox and Safari it comes from a company that is notorious for wanting to know everything about you. Are you suggesting that Chrome gathers data about you? Because unless you tick that box (which they show pretty prominently) it doesn't. It doesn't by default in most linux distribution packages. > Unlike IE I don't know if you've been following, but Microsoft is now the king of knowing everything ab…

> Microsoft made box-model: border-box No. Microsoft had a non-standard box model which was an utter pain in the ass, regardless of their box model being more sensible than everybody else's in theory [0] (and ultimately standardised as an option circa 2010 ) having to code for a single standard documented box-model is way the fuck easier than coding for two different box models. Also it's box-sizing not box-model. [0…

Don't forget that Netscape originally used the same box model as IE. They were the one who changed the way boxes worked when they released NN6 (the one that couldn't correctly render Netscape.com when it came out because of that silly new "standard" box model).

The sane way of doing boxes pre-dated the "standard", which in hindsight appears as though it was specifically crafted to spite Microsoft.

It was a silly time to be a developer.

Re: Chrome Won

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A better question is, apart from memory usage, which of the two had more security issues. That would matter to me...

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I understand why Google gives Chrome for free, to bring people into their sphere of influence. But what does Mozilla get for giving out Firefox? Is it monetized somehow? Or is it just to win an imaginary distinction.

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Technically, so is chrome.

Not in the same way as IE.

Closed source is a boolean. Chrome is distributed only as a binary. I.e. it is totally closed source.

It currently has a very large relation to the open source Chromium project. But Google could change that tomorrow if they wanted to - they could also gradually move more and more to their closed source Chrome builds (as they have done with Android).

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Despite all of this, I refuse to use Chrome on anything other than my desktop because it's a battery killer. Safari/Edge have a strong advantage here. I pull out Chrome only when I need its dev tools, which isn't very often these days.

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The only sites I've seen that only work on Chrome are generally due to the developers being lazy and only targeting the top platform. It's similar to many games only being available on iOS a few years ago, or many programs only being available on Windows. Now with the web, it's much easier to make something work across all platforms, except at the bleeding edge, which is generally where you'll find those sites. Almos…

Like Google Hangouts?

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The Mobile OS war can still be continued. Mozilla should join forces with Lineage OS instead of wasting time with their own. Do the embrace, extend, extinguish strategy with Android. Secure messaging is also still a hot topic. Join forces with Signal or Wire or Matrix or XMPP. For example, Wire intends to open source their server code and enable federation [0]. Voice control requires some weight for an Open Source so…

I don't know a single Android user that even knows what Lineage OS is all about.

I bet all the OEM manufactures do. Its not that they care at all about users installing custom ROMs. They will be looking for options to not be tied to Google forever (assuming they have looked at the history of IBM and Microsoft). The problem is they never have to actually release a Lineage OS/Tizen/${insert other phone OS here} they just need a viable option for what they would use instead when they talk to Google about licensing (E.g. Samsung and Tizen).

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I think as we see Servo components move over to Firefox it will become significantly faster once more, and things might start moving in the other direction.

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>> We really need someone to fight for our privacy and neutrality. Well said. I certainly hope it is not a PR stunt, but WordPress is probably the other big player in the fight for the open web. It might actually benefit all of us if Automattic starts making a lot of noise about privacy. And ultimately, its not as if anyone wants any of these tech giants to completely fail (well, maybe Facebook). What we want is to n…

> What we want is to not have the nature of the web changed to suit the whims of a handful of companies. I feel like we're ten years late for this concern.

Not really.

At the moment, there are only two kinds of employees at Facebook. Those who care and are getting irritated each time these issues are raised on HN (see here [1]), and the dregs who bury their heads in the sand. I bet there is someone who works there who is reading this and realizing that either they will have to change their attitude, or soon the company will turn into another Enron. We don't still have Enron in our midst anymore, do we?

Once one company goes down, it is only a matter of time before the rest fall in a domino sequence because people will start wondering about the practices of its peers. I would like to think that these companies are a little more sensible than to imagine they are somehow infallible, its better for them to change now before it gets to the point where they are made to.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13869759

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