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Florida GOP consultant admits he worked with Guccifer 2.0, analyzing hacked data

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Re: Florida GOP consultant admits he worked with Guccifer 2.0, analyzing hacked data

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post #14

Why does this have a negative twist? Is it not a good thing that voters were more informed of the darker sides of the DNC and the Democratic party before voting?

Can I have all of your personal data? It's okay, I just want to be more informed about your darker side before my next vote.

Not that I agree with gp but a political party vs personal is a little different.

Re: Florida GOP consultant admits he worked with Guccifer 2.0, analyzing hacked data

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post #14

Why does this have a negative twist? Is it not a good thing that voters were more informed of the darker sides of the DNC and the Democratic party before voting?

Can I have all of your personal data? It's okay, I just want to be more informed about your darker side before my next vote.

What if the DNC did some really not okay things? Nah, you're right, we shouldn't know about them because the DNC wouldn't want that...

Of course I wouldn't like you to have all my personal data. But the point of an election is for the people to make the most informed decision, not for me to feel good.

Re: Florida GOP consultant admits he worked with Guccifer 2.0, analyzing hacked data

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it's better to hide the truth from voters if that means voters knowing the truth is in Russia's interest? How is being more informed a bad thing?

This stance MIGHT make sense if the hacked RNC documents were also leaked. Surprisingly (or not) those files were not leaked out.[1] Sure looks like "truth" was not the element that was in Russia's interests. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-...

>Sure looks like "truth" was not the element that was in Russia's interests.

I never claimed the truth was in Russia's interests. As I clearly said, it's in Russia's interests for the GOP to win. That would mean NOT leaking RNC documents.

I was very glad to know just how corrupt the DNC and the Democratic party were before I voted in November.

Re: Florida GOP consultant admits he worked with Guccifer 2.0, analyzing hacked data

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post #14

Why does this have a negative twist? Is it not a good thing that voters were more informed of the darker sides of the DNC and the Democratic party before voting?

>DCCC documents sent to Mr. Nevins analyzed specific Florida districts, showing how many people were dependable Democratic voters, how many were likely Democratic voters but needed a nudge, how many were frequent voters but not committed and how many were core Republican voters—the kind of data strategists use in planning ad buys and other tactics.

How exactly are these documents showing the "darker sides of the DNC"?

Re: Florida GOP consultant admits he worked with Guccifer 2.0, analyzing hacked data

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This stance MIGHT make sense if the hacked RNC documents were also leaked. Surprisingly (or not) those files were not leaked out.[1] Sure looks like "truth" was not the element that was in Russia's interests. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-...

>Sure looks like "truth" was not the element that was in Russia's interests. I never claimed the truth was in Russia's interests. As I clearly said, it's in Russia's interests for the GOP to win. That would mean NOT leaking RNC documents. I was very glad to know just how corrupt the DNC and the Democratic party were before I voted in November.

Your post quoted: "So it's better to hide the truth from voters if that means voters knowing the truth is in Russia's interest?

How is being more informed a bad thing?"

Where did you 'clearly say' it was in Russia's interests for the GOP to win? It sure sounds like you already had your mind made up and no leak of RNC corruption could ever be big enough to sway you anyway.

Re: Florida GOP consultant admits he worked with Guccifer 2.0, analyzing hacked data

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post #3

So the GOP is directly admitting to collusion with Russian agents in order to disrupt US elections. Are we OK with this as a country?

Has anyone publicly presented any concrete evidence whatsoever that the Russians were involved in any way in influencing the U.S. election as yet?

Just asking, for a friend :)

Re: Florida GOP consultant admits he worked with Guccifer 2.0, analyzing hacked data

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post #3

So the GOP is directly admitting to collusion with Russian agents in order to disrupt US elections. Are we OK with this as a country?

The hack was public knowledge in June of 2016, and it's only fairly recently that it's been known (asserted?) that Guccifer 2.0 was acting on behalf of the Russian government.

It also says, "GOP campaign consultant." That's a third party contractor--not quite indicative of a high level conspiracy. I think that's a far, far cry from what you're claiming.

Re: Florida GOP consultant admits he worked with Guccifer 2.0, analyzing hacked data

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post #14

Why does this have a negative twist? Is it not a good thing that voters were more informed of the darker sides of the DNC and the Democratic party before voting?

Can I have all of your personal data? It's okay, I just want to be more informed about your darker side before my next vote.

You could if I was running for President. What a dumb thing to say.

Re: Florida GOP consultant admits he worked with Guccifer 2.0, analyzing hacked data

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I have all of your personal data? It's okay, I just want to be more informed about your darker side before my next vote.

Not that I agree with gp but a political party vs personal is a little different.

Yeah that's why Nixon resigned after all.

Re: Florida GOP consultant admits he worked with Guccifer 2.0, analyzing hacked data

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post #3

So the GOP is directly admitting to collusion with Russian agents in order to disrupt US elections. Are we OK with this as a country?

The hack was public knowledge in June of 2016, and it's only fairly recently that it's been known (asserted?) that Guccifer 2.0 was acting on behalf of the Russian government. It also says, "GOP campaign consultant." That's a third party contractor--not quite indicative of a high level conspiracy. I think that's a far, far cry from what you're claiming.

Especially since the "collusion" occurred after the breach.

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I should probably mention that if getting this data doesn't qualify as "receiving stolen property," it should. The consultant could learn a lot from Pepsi ( https://www.theguardian.com/media/2006/jul/07/marketingandpr... ), but there is a difference between coordinating with somebody to steal data and getting data that has already been stolen.

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