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I will happily be wrong about this, but isn't a lead time of a year for a "mass market" vehicle a bit of an ask. Last time I bought a car the "lead time" was a week.
I bought a car 2 months ago, and if you wanted to change even the simpler thing the delivery time went to 1+ month. This was for the best selling brand of cars in Spain that delivers almost 500.000 cars a year.
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It really does depend, yeah. I've been eyeing the Volvo S90 since they came out, so I went to their concept store in Stockholm around Christmas time last year and put together a configuration that seemed nice. Estimated delivery date of the 2017 model I built would have been sometime this fall, I think they said 9 months. I imagine the 2018 model is backed up even more.
Toyota does it in one week.
Any time I've bought a new car I've had some optional extras and that has meant a delivery time of at least two months (VW or Skoda), through to three months for an Audi or four months for a BMW.
That's the biggest downside, from my perspective.
I'm really interested in the topspeed. For german customers all the current gen EVs(Bolt/i3/Leaf/Ioniq) with a topspeed of 140-150km/h are to my opinion not really save to drive on the Autobahn as you don't have some speed buffer to overtake someone who's driving 120-130km/h fast enough. If Tesla manages to give the Model 3 a top-speed of 200km/h that would be a game-changer and make it a viable car for me. The Model…
been safely driving a van with 140km/h top-speed on the autobahn just fine for years - there might be a correlation between the maximum speed of a car and the owners inability to drive safely, but the explanation is probably more a psychological than a technical one .. your mindset is quite common among german car makers though, maybe the reason they are unable to offer competitive answers to a technologically rather…
It would only be unsafe if you attempted to pass people inappropriately (and spent too much time in the left lane). This is a driver issue, not a car issue.
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Why? Do you have a limited amount of time you can stay in the autobahn as opposed to a French or Spanish motorway, forcing you to speed up? Or is it that you just want to go 200Km/h and it's not about overtaking safely?
No its about following the rest of the traffic. In the unlimited sections, traffic is 130++ km/h (up to 200-250 in overtaking lane), So if you are slower, changing lanes, overtaking etc. becomes less safe.
I've never had the problem OP mentions, on the Autobahn...
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Why? Do you have a limited amount of time you can stay in the autobahn as opposed to a French or Spanish motorway, forcing you to speed up? Or is it that you just want to go 200Km/h and it's not about overtaking safely?
No its about following the rest of the traffic. In the unlimited sections, traffic is 130++ km/h (up to 200-250 in overtaking lane), So if you are slower, changing lanes, overtaking etc. becomes less safe.
I'm really interested in the topspeed. For german customers all the current gen EVs(Bolt/i3/Leaf/Ioniq) with a topspeed of 140-150km/h are to my opinion not really save to drive on the Autobahn as you don't have some speed buffer to overtake someone who's driving 120-130km/h fast enough. If Tesla manages to give the Model 3 a top-speed of 200km/h that would be a game-changer and make it a viable car for me. The Model…
If you can't do 100 reliably (I drove a lot of Citroen 2CVs) the Autobahn sucks, because now busses and some trucks try to overtake you.
If you can do 120 you're fine. You might not be fast and probably stay on the right/middle lane, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with that speed.
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Why? Do you have a limited amount of time you can stay in the autobahn as opposed to a French or Spanish motorway, forcing you to speed up? Or is it that you just want to go 200Km/h and it's not about overtaking safely?
You don't have to but some people like to arrive earlier and drive faster. And many people I know don't like following other cars, so they'd rather overtake and drive 130 km/h in front of the other car than behind. This, however, changes with autopilot.
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> Model S is viable in that regard, just too expensive Wow, even the 2nd-hand price for a Model S in DE is €60k. I wonder why are they all Pxx models? https://www.tesla.com/de_DE/preowned?model=ms&sort=price|asc...
What are you comparing it to? In contrary, German cars in the US are expensive. My co-workers in the US would not believe that in Europe a German car such as BMW or Mercedes is commonly the first car of many young men have.
List price.
I will happily be wrong about this, but isn't a lead time of a year for a "mass market" vehicle a bit of an ask. Last time I bought a car the "lead time" was a week.
But if you order a car with a custom configuration 2-4 months are quite usual, and even the big car manufacturers sometimes cannot match demand. The Golf 5 Variant had 11 months of delivery times for a while (VW had not made a Golf Variant for some years at that point of time).