Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release
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Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release
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Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release
#2If I just read wiki correctly, they set out with the goal of removing systemd and then kept systemd?
Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release
#3If I just read wiki correctly, they set out with the goal of removing systemd and then kept systemd?
Statement from the OP:
> Devuan is about choice. We think people should be able to choose whether to use a GNU+Linux system with or without systemd.
> Devuan decided to fork not only the base distribution, but also its governance, because Debian has made it difficult to avoid systemd as init, entangling the system with unnecessary dependencies and did so despite widespread community concern. We encourage potential Devuan users who wish to install systemd to use Debian’s installer, Debian’s packages and Debian’s mailing lists, all available directly from Debian’s mirrors.
Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release
#4Great to see they are making headway. Wonder about the long term sustainability though, as more and more software such as GNOME3 DE lists it as a dependency
Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release
#5If I just read wiki correctly, they set out with the goal of removing systemd and then kept systemd?
Statement from the OP: > Devuan is about choice. We think people should be able to choose whether to use a GNU+Linux system with or without systemd. > Devuan decided to fork not only the base distribution, but also its governance, because Debian has made it difficult to avoid systemd as init, entangling the system with unnecessary dependencies and did so despite widespread community concern. We encourage potential De…
So they now officially recommend Debian to people who value true init freedom?
Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
Statement from the OP: > Devuan is about choice. We think people should be able to choose whether to use a GNU+Linux system with or without systemd. > Devuan decided to fork not only the base distribution, but also its governance, because Debian has made it difficult to avoid systemd as init, entangling the system with unnecessary dependencies and did so despite widespread community concern. We encourage potential De…
So they now officially recommend Debian to people who value true init freedom?
No,
> We encourage ... users who wish to install systemd to use Debian.
Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release
#7Congrats for following through on Devuan. I'm guessing it took a lot of resolve to make this happen.
Should we be worried about the fact that it took over two years to untangle systemd from Debian with respect to Linux in general?
In case someone from the Devuan project is around, what alternate init system should maintainers be targetting now for Devuan? OpenRC, classic SysV init, or something else?
Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release
#8Congrats for following through on Devuan. I'm guessing it took a lot of resolve to make this happen. Should we be worried about the fact that it took over two years to untangle systemd from Debian with respect to Linux in general? In case someone from the Devuan project is around, what alternate init system should maintainers be targetting now for Devuan? OpenRC, classic SysV init, or something else?
From https://devuan.org/os/ it seems they use sysvinit by default, but they 'offer' runit, openrc and sinit. Dunno what the latter means for maintainers...
Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release
#9Congrats for following through on Devuan. I'm guessing it took a lot of resolve to make this happen. Should we be worried about the fact that it took over two years to untangle systemd from Debian with respect to Linux in general? In case someone from the Devuan project is around, what alternate init system should maintainers be targetting now for Devuan? OpenRC, classic SysV init, or something else?
> Should we be worried about the fact that it took over two years to untangle systemd from Debian with respect to Linux in general?
The time it took says nothing about the difficulty of the task. It could be very hard with the best hackers working on it full time. It could be the time it takes committees to reach a consensus.
Even if it was that hard, is it because systemd is so entangled with the system? Or because it makes maintaining a distro so much easier ?
Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release
#10Great to see they are making headway. Wonder about the long term sustainability though, as more and more software such as GNOME3 DE lists it as a dependency
There's also Linux life without Gnome. I hope this means more people will try out alternative window managers.