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Re: Chrome Won

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Post by chx »

MBCook wrote: post #61
gkoberger wrote: post #51

I agree with this blog post. But I don't think Mozilla lost. I worked for Mozilla for a few years, after seeing John Lily (CEO at the time) speak. It was right after Chrome started getting popular, and a smug person in the crowd asked him about how he felt about Chrome. John's response was awesome. "This is the web that we wanted. We exist not because we want everyone to use Firefox, but because we wanted people to h…

The problem is we're moving extremely fast to a chrome only world. If it wasn't for corporate sites and the success of the iPhone chrome would probably be dominating the way IE used to. I definitely run into sites that only work on chrome and not in any other browser. In my opinion chrome isn't doing a good job either. It's a massive energy hog and waste more CPU than it needs to. Unlike IE and FireFox and Safari it…

Try http://www.linksys.com/us/special-deals-and-refurbished/c/Re... buying a refurbished router from Linksys with anything but IE. When you click Guest Checkout your cart will be empty. Dead end.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by saratogacx »

candiodari wrote: post #170
gkoberger wrote: post #51

I agree with this blog post. But I don't think Mozilla lost. I worked for Mozilla for a few years, after seeing John Lily (CEO at the time) speak. It was right after Chrome started getting popular, and a smug person in the crowd asked him about how he felt about Chrome. John's response was awesome. "This is the web that we wanted. We exist not because we want everyone to use Firefox, but because we wanted people to h…

Firefox is the only android browser with ad-blocking plugins enabled. That makes it the only usable browser on mobile. Sucks that they don't have an IOS version, but Apple is the problem there, not Mozilla.

Samsung's built in browser has ad-blocking plugins now that work quite well too.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by pjmlp »

cies wrote: post #63

So Mozilla lost Firefox OS. And their browser share is smaller then Chrome, and then it was, but still top tier and winning from M$. I'm much less pessimistic. Besides a cross platform and extensible browser we see also the following coming out of Mozilla: * Rust, a modern low-level programming language with cutting edge "safety" build in at zero runt time cost, luring many system programmers. * Servo, tomorrow brows…

> Rust, a modern low-level programming language with cutting edge "safety" build in at zero runt time cost, luring many system programmers.

I love Rust, and advocate it among other memory safe systems programming languages, but right now it still has an uphill battle against Swift, C++17 and .NET Native, on the desktop and mobile OSes.

Adoption is growing slowly, even Microsoft has recently added a Rust library to VS Code, but it will take years to become a major systems language.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by technion »

chimeracoder wrote: post #144
MBCook wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is we're moving extremely fast to a chrome only world. If it wasn't for corporate sites and the success of the iPhone chrome would probably be dominating the way IE used to. I definitely run into sites that only work on chrome and not in any other browser. In my opinion chrome isn't doing a good job either. It's a massive energy hog and waste more CPU than it needs to. Unlike IE and FireFox and Safari it…

> The problem is we're moving extremely fast to a chrome only world. If it wasn't for corporate sites and the success of the iPhone chrome would probably be dominating the way IE used to. I definitely run into sites that only work on chrome and not in any other browser. This hasn't happened to me in a while, except for occasionally government or bank sites which require "IE or Chrome". In many cases, spoofing the use…

    spoofing the user agent works fine
I'm continually upset by this. If you know you rely on, for example, the fetch() api, test for the fetch api[0]. Whitelisting browser user agents just means chasing your tail for forever.

By all means, politely warn a user that "your browser is not tested". It's getting to feel like a marketing driven decision, where pages just about say "our site is so powerful, we only work with the greatest browser ever, Chrome, so come back when you have it".

A local airbnb competitor currently does this.

[0] https://philipwalton.com/articles/loading-polyfills-only-whe...

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by pjmlp »

vatotemking wrote: post #165
cies wrote: post #63

So Mozilla lost Firefox OS. And their browser share is smaller then Chrome, and then it was, but still top tier and winning from M$. I'm much less pessimistic. Besides a cross platform and extensible browser we see also the following coming out of Mozilla: * Rust, a modern low-level programming language with cutting edge "safety" build in at zero runt time cost, luring many system programmers. * Servo, tomorrow brows…

I know that HN loves Rust and at the risk of being burned at the stakes, i'd say Rust is overrated. Lets get real, it doesn't have that many users, its not even on top of TIOBE. If you are going to start a career in Rust, good luck finding any jobs. I saw maybe one or 2 in the past, and it requires knowledge of C/C++ anyways. You might say, "its new language give it a break" but I bet Kotlin will overtake it by the e…

> You can criticize Go but it has a more thriving ecosystem than Rust.

I think Go has already become unavoidable for those working in cloud like environments, thanks to Docker and Kubernetes.

Anyone working on those areas needs a working knowledge of Go, even he/she dislikes the language.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by zebraflask »

"low market share numbers further accelerate the decline because Web authors don’t test for browsers with a small market share"

Very true. There is absolutely no point in spending dev hours on a browser that might net you . . . I don't know . . . a fraction of a percent of whatever audience or target you're after? I had to do that before, it makes the developers upset and their managers even more upset.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by JoshMnem »

taf2 wrote: post #196
JoshMnem wrote: post #164

Firefox took marketshare from IE when that was impossible. It could do it again with Chrome, if things change a bit. Some problems with Mozilla are that they don't do community management well any more. In the old days, there were amazing grassroots-driven projects like spreadfirefox.com. It is not like that any more. Grassroots supporters have trouble participating, even if they try. For example, I tried to create a…

The thing is chrome is an open source browser with a lot of really smart people working to make it better everyday . IE, was none of theses things when Firefox came into the market. You also have to remember many of the core developers who built Firefox went on to build Chrome. And then even many of developers that built IE went on to work on chrome. In 2007, they had pulled together an amazing team to kick off the b…

I don't think that monocultures are wise.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by kbrosnan »

fiatjaf wrote: post #12
cetra3 wrote: post #2

No mention of Servo, which is quite interesting. A targeted omission?

Well, I don't use Firefox mostly because debugging Javascript in it is much much slower in all the old computers I use. I'm hoping Servo will change that.

Servo is not rewriting the JavaScript engine. Spidermonkey will continue to be C++ for the foreseeable future.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by Houshalter »

enra wrote: post #191
Houshalter wrote: post #86

Maybe they could compete on having a better extension system. Chrome extensions are absolutely awful. Every single one I've ever used has had some kind of serious bug, often deal breaking. I could easily fix many of them, but there is no method to do so. Let alone fork it or submit a pull request. You can't even load your own extensions, and you have to pay money to submit them to the web store. A scary percentage of…

You can easily your own extensions in Chrome by clicking the "Load unpacked extension" which can be just a folder from your computer that has a manifest.json file in. You can also easily inspect the extensions that you have installed with the chrome developer tools, ie. copy them and fix them if needed. If anything, I'd say my experience between the Chrome and Firefox extensions are completely opposite to yours. For…

I don't remember what the restriction was. I believe it only lets you have one third party extension at a time and auto disables it on startup. And I'm pretty sure you can't modify webstore ones, I haven't tried it though.

I thought Firefox allowed third party extensions, have they changed that?

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