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Re: Chrome Won

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Post by thr0waway1239 »

gkoberger wrote: post #51

I agree with this blog post. But I don't think Mozilla lost. I worked for Mozilla for a few years, after seeing John Lily (CEO at the time) speak. It was right after Chrome started getting popular, and a smug person in the crowd asked him about how he felt about Chrome. John's response was awesome. "This is the web that we wanted. We exist not because we want everyone to use Firefox, but because we wanted people to h…

>> We really need someone to fight for our privacy and neutrality.

Well said.

I certainly hope it is not a PR stunt, but WordPress is probably the other big player in the fight for the open web. It might actually benefit all of us if Automattic starts making a lot of noise about privacy.

And ultimately, its not as if anyone wants any of these tech giants to completely fail (well, maybe Facebook). What we want is to not have the nature of the web changed to suit the whims of a handful of companies.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by sengork »

The single most effective thing I've done to speed up my web browsing is to install an advertisement blocker extension/plugin/addon.

Based on this I wonder whether web browser benchmarks should be based on how fast they are after adverts are blocked, not only their rendering engine per se.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by lelandbatey »

lurenjia wrote: post #122
lewisl9029 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed that Mozilla's original mission has been accomplished in spades, but I wouldn't count Mozilla out of the browser race just yet. Servo and Webrender[0] will completely shake up the browser landscape, and will allow web apps to match (maybe even surpass?) native mobile apps in terms of rendering performance. Unless Chrome, IE, and Safari can develop an answer to Servo and Webrender by the time those technologies…

Major browser engines all have about 20 years of development history. Web specs are ever growing and piled higher and higher. Major web browsers have large engineering team and lot resources. It's unlikely Servo can catch up.

Servo is already a runnable browser, and I'm amazed how fast it is. It still has rendering issues with plenty (any reasonably complicated media-heavy site, i.e.: cnn.com) of sites, but even then, it's already an amazing piece of technology. On top of that, the point of Servo isn't to be a brand new full on browser, it's to be a proving ground for a next-gen engine.

And it's proving to be fast, safe, and the future of browsers.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by kalleboo »

aerovistae wrote: post #16
fiatjaf wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mobile thing is just mass distraction. Everybody says "mobile" is eating the world, but when you look at it, 99 in 100 mobile core users are stupid facebookers who don't even know what is the internet and wouldn't be using the internet at all if it wasn't for Facebook, Instagram or whatever share-your-stupid-life network they may be using.

I have secretly held this opinion for years. 4 out of 5 times that I look over someone's shoulder at their phone on the train, they're rapidly scrolling through a feed of photos, memes, and emote-filled status updates, endlessly. It scares me, to be honest. I wonder where this tendency in people will lead in the very long run, particularly when you consider the ideas suggested by companies like Neuralink. It brings B…

What do you expect people to be doing on the train? Contributing to emacs?

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by lelandbatey »

kibwen wrote: post #113
gkoberger wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it did exist, no?

Yes, but even five years ago people acknowledged that it was going to take more than five years to write a browser engine from scratch. I'm on the record as stating in ~2012 not to expect a usable Servo any sooner than 2017 at the earliest (basing my estimation on the time it took to write V8 from scratch). And that was indeed optimistic, but we are seeing bits of Servo (most importantly WebRender and Stylo) being in…

Hey, you weren't totally wrong. If you want to use a simple and fast web-browser on the bleeding edge of development, you can use Servo today. On all the computers I've tried it on it's been really fast, though with plenty of rendering issues.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by theprop »

I primarily use the Epic Privacy Browser (it is chromium based). No other browser except TOR comes close to them in terms of privacy.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by StevePerkins »

cies wrote: post #63

So Mozilla lost Firefox OS. And their browser share is smaller then Chrome, and then it was, but still top tier and winning from M$. I'm much less pessimistic. Besides a cross platform and extensible browser we see also the following coming out of Mozilla: * Rust, a modern low-level programming language with cutting edge "safety" build in at zero runt time cost, luring many system programmers. * Servo, tomorrow brows…

I understand that people who like rust REALLY like Rust, but you do realize that your examples of a purpose for existence consist of:

1. A programming language, that hasn't yet shown "escape velocity" to go beyond D and other would-be-C++-successors in traction.

2. The only major application of that language... a pre-alpha browser engine, which may or may not eventually replace the engine in a browser that is seriously declining in market share with no reversal in sight.

3. A desktop email client, from which Mozilla has repeatedly made clear their intentions to divest and move on.

4. A JavaScript and HTML reference manual.

Mozilla is an organization with over $400 million in annual revenue. Where that money is going baffles me.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by jjawssd »

I am eternally grateful for Firefox being a viable alternative which properly supports low level HTML5 tag features with less crazy behavior than Chrome.

Videos are not seekable in Chrome unless the server implements HTTP 206.

https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=66631

This has been a bug since 2010. I simply cannot seek in arbitrary h264 videos without glitching and failure in any version of Chrome.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by flukus »

woranl wrote: post #116

Firefox failed to innovate and alienate developers. Refusing to implement File System API is a perfect example! Mozilla can choose to be arrogant. Well.. guess what? We can also choose to move on without you. Broken apps make users to switch browsers. It's that simple. Mozilla can only blame itself for the vicious cycle.

Good, a website doesn't need access to my file system. Stuff like that is why we need firefox and why SaaS companies shouldn't be making browsers.
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