Waif: You can't treat the working man this way! One of these days we'll form a union, and get the fair and equitable treatment we deserve! Then we'll go too far, and become corrupt and shiftless, and the Japanese will eat us alive!
Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
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Re: Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
This doesn't answer the question.
Doesn't it? If Tesla is about as dangerous as slaughterhouses and sawmills, and Tesla is more dangerous than other automakers, then it follows that other auto makers are less dangerous than slaughterhouses and sawmills.
So no, it doesn’t answer the question. It could be that slaughterhouses and sawmills are really safe—say 3 on a 1-10 scale—while automakers are 6 and Tesla is 8.
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#13Maybe you believe Elon when he says that it's worth it, but there's no arguing that it's a steep price to pay.
It's incredibly frustrating that no one has figured out a way to bring about the kind of transformative change that Tesla is after without such back breaking sacrifice. But I think the fact remains there's too much non-linearity in the means of production to get where Elon is trying to go without pushing his people to the limit.
The only "answer" I can give is just that I hope TSLA employees are getting enough equity to make it all worth it.
Re: Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
This doesn't answer the question.
Doesn't it? If Tesla is about as dangerous as slaughterhouses and sawmills, and Tesla is more dangerous than other automakers, then it follows that other auto makers are less dangerous than slaughterhouses and sawmills.
The article says Tesla has a worse safety record than slaughterhouses and sawmills.
Accordingly, other automakers may still be more dangerous than slaughterhouses and sawmills, while being less dangerous than Tesla.
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#15https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/18/tesla-wor...
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#16There's no defending Tesla's worker rights or saftey record. This is a company that's stood at the brink of failure for years and only survives through the blood, sweat, and tears of its employees. Maybe you believe Elon when he says that it's worth it, but there's no arguing that it's a steep price to pay. It's incredibly frustrating that no one has figured out a way to bring about the kind of transformative change…
What is the basis for that? It is an easy rationalization for an issue with serious consequences.
Re: Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
#17>Charley Briese said his job involved pulling down a hanging drill three times a minute for 12 to 16 hours a day, causing severe tendinitis 12-16 hrs a day?
Re: Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
#18>Charley Briese said his job involved pulling down a hanging drill three times a minute for 12 to 16 hours a day, causing severe tendinitis 12-16 hrs a day?
Re: Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
#19Title here is misleading. Actual title of article at LA Times is "Tesla had worse safety records than slaughterhouses and sawmills" - note "had", past tense. The records in question are from 2015, and as the article says, they are working on improvements.
And even then, the records are for number of incidents rather than severity. The two specific things they mention are tendinitis and carpal tunnel, which suck, but aren't the sort of injuries one associates with sawmills...
It's analagous to saying "Elon Musk's mouth has worse bacterial contamination than petri dish of Lyme Disease." Sure, by number of bacterial agents, Musk's mouth is more contaminated... But that's not a very useful statement unless you want to mislead people.
Re: Safety incidents at Tesla plant were higher than industry average in 2015
#20OMG
"The scores don’t account for severity however.”
Oh...