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Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

#61

Post by ctoth »

arekkas wrote: post #20

The high CPU and memory usage was due to a large gif which was included two times. This gif accidentally was 1280p with 20fps and was about 40mb large. For some reason, the resizer did not properly work. Anyways, the gif is now removed. I hope the performance gets much better now. The CPU fans on macbooks going up where probably due to a lack of a dedicated graphics card. This happened to me with my macbook and large…

This does not appear to work at all with my screen reader.

Accessibility as afterthought, as always.

I used to look forward to trying to help people fix their stuff to be accessible, but now I'm just tired of every single fucking thing somebody creates being broken for me because everything is a complete heaping pile of inaccessible garbage and nobody even thinks about accessibility. It's not like there aren't thousands of pages of documentation on how to make stuff accessible... but the libraries keep getting released without accessibility, and then people build components using several of these libraries and they're useless, and then people build entire apps out of these components... And the web that I used to know and love and get around just find goes dark.

And this is going to get integrated into some big educational site? So I guess it sucks to be a blind student in Germany.

What a mess.

Sorry for the negativity, but this just really, really gets old.

Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

#62

Post by Operyl »

ctoth wrote: post #61
arekkas wrote: post #20

The high CPU and memory usage was due to a large gif which was included two times. This gif accidentally was 1280p with 20fps and was about 40mb large. For some reason, the resizer did not properly work. Anyways, the gif is now removed. I hope the performance gets much better now. The CPU fans on macbooks going up where probably due to a lack of a dedicated graphics card. This happened to me with my macbook and large…

This does not appear to work at all with my screen reader. Accessibility as afterthought, as always. I used to look forward to trying to help people fix their stuff to be accessible, but now I'm just tired of every single fucking thing somebody creates being broken for me because everything is a complete heaping pile of inaccessible garbage and nobody even thinks about accessibility. It's not like there aren't thousa…

It must really suck, and when I work on small(but large) personal projects I feel bad that someone might not be able to use it. What are some good resources to start thinking accessibility first? I remember in the past it was .. a project and a half in and of itself.

Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

#63

Post by speedemin »

Operyl wrote: post #62
ctoth wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This does not appear to work at all with my screen reader. Accessibility as afterthought, as always. I used to look forward to trying to help people fix their stuff to be accessible, but now I'm just tired of every single fucking thing somebody creates being broken for me because everything is a complete heaping pile of inaccessible garbage and nobody even thinks about accessibility. It's not like there aren't thousa…

It must really suck, and when I work on small(but large) personal projects I feel bad that someone might not be able to use it. What are some good resources to start thinking accessibility first? I remember in the past it was .. a project and a half in and of itself.

I really like the A11ycasts show by Google Chrome Developers https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNYkxOF6rcICWx0C9LVWW...

Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

#64

Post by [deleted] »

ctoth wrote: post #61
arekkas wrote: post #20

The high CPU and memory usage was due to a large gif which was included two times. This gif accidentally was 1280p with 20fps and was about 40mb large. For some reason, the resizer did not properly work. Anyways, the gif is now removed. I hope the performance gets much better now. The CPU fans on macbooks going up where probably due to a lack of a dedicated graphics card. This happened to me with my macbook and large…

This does not appear to work at all with my screen reader. Accessibility as afterthought, as always. I used to look forward to trying to help people fix their stuff to be accessible, but now I'm just tired of every single fucking thing somebody creates being broken for me because everything is a complete heaping pile of inaccessible garbage and nobody even thinks about accessibility. It's not like there aren't thousa…

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Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

#65

Post by ctoth »

Operyl wrote: post #62
ctoth wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This does not appear to work at all with my screen reader. Accessibility as afterthought, as always. I used to look forward to trying to help people fix their stuff to be accessible, but now I'm just tired of every single fucking thing somebody creates being broken for me because everything is a complete heaping pile of inaccessible garbage and nobody even thinks about accessibility. It's not like there aren't thousa…

It must really suck, and when I work on small(but large) personal projects I feel bad that someone might not be able to use it. What are some good resources to start thinking accessibility first? I remember in the past it was .. a project and a half in and of itself.

The nice thing is it's very easy to get started, and no matter what you're working on, be it a web project, a mobile app, or even something for desktop there are loads of resources out there, as well as people who care.

For web stuff, over the last month or so I've been pointing people to the relatively new but still pretty nice A11y Style Guide[0] This is obviously for just getting started. When we get into more complicated markup, I often find fantastic resources, articles, and examples from companies like SSB BART or Deque (no affiliation with either)

When mobile accessibility comes up, few people do it better than the BBC, and they have a great resource on it[1]

I'm also working on a playbook for mobile accessibility, but that's still under development.

The really important and kind of awesome thing is that it's extremely easier to test the accessibility of whatever you're building as you build it. Unlike the bad old days where screen readers costs $1,000 and no developers had access to them, on mobile or Mac screen readers are built directly into your device, and on Windows NVDA is completely free from [2]

Hope this gives you a starting point, and if you have more questions feel free to reach out, email in profile.

[0]: https://a11y-style-guide.com [1]http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/futuremedia/accessibility/mo... [2]https://NVAccess.org

Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

#66

Post by Operyl »

ctoth wrote: post #65
Operyl wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It must really suck, and when I work on small(but large) personal projects I feel bad that someone might not be able to use it. What are some good resources to start thinking accessibility first? I remember in the past it was .. a project and a half in and of itself.

The nice thing is it's very easy to get started, and no matter what you're working on, be it a web project, a mobile app, or even something for desktop there are loads of resources out there, as well as people who care. For web stuff, over the last month or so I've been pointing people to the relatively new but still pretty nice A11y Style Guide[0] This is obviously for just getting started. When we get into more com…

I guess something I have trouble wrapping my head around is when is it acceptable to give up on a11y? I mean, it seems improbable to get a11y into an expansive CLI application. Or a 3D game. When does it become OK to give up?

Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

#67

Post by arekkas »

ctoth wrote: post #61
arekkas wrote: post #20

The high CPU and memory usage was due to a large gif which was included two times. This gif accidentally was 1280p with 20fps and was about 40mb large. For some reason, the resizer did not properly work. Anyways, the gif is now removed. I hope the performance gets much better now. The CPU fans on macbooks going up where probably due to a lack of a dedicated graphics card. This happened to me with my macbook and large…

This does not appear to work at all with my screen reader. Accessibility as afterthought, as always. I used to look forward to trying to help people fix their stuff to be accessible, but now I'm just tired of every single fucking thing somebody creates being broken for me because everything is a complete heaping pile of inaccessible garbage and nobody even thinks about accessibility. It's not like there aren't thousa…

It doesn't work with your screen reader because the site is rendered after the initial page load. The content is not prerendered. However, the technology allows prerendering, so it actually works with screen readers. Some pieces might need improvement (e.g. missing alt tag on images at the moment).

By the way, blind students use the education platform, and they are really happy that such an amazing, ad-free platform exists.

Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

#68

Post by ctoth »

Operyl wrote: post #66
ctoth wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The nice thing is it's very easy to get started, and no matter what you're working on, be it a web project, a mobile app, or even something for desktop there are loads of resources out there, as well as people who care. For web stuff, over the last month or so I've been pointing people to the relatively new but still pretty nice A11y Style Guide[0] This is obviously for just getting started. When we get into more com…

I guess something I have trouble wrapping my head around is when is it acceptable to give up on a11y? I mean, it seems improbable to get a11y into an expansive CLI application. Or a 3D game. When does it become OK to give up?

> it seems improbable to get a11y into an expansive CLI application

Why? I used to use make menuconfig back in 2000--why should it not work now?

3d game? This I'll grant you. Some experiences are just not replicatable for the blind, though if you're interested in this at all check out the weird and wonderful world of audiogames and 3d audio with HRTF.

An editor? Even a visual editor? Is not one of these experiences. I used to use Visual Basic 6 just fine, dragging and dropping controls out of the toolbox, lining things up, and editing the code behind the widgets all the way back in 2002.

I see that this project apparently took 8 years by 150 people, according to the OP. With this much human effort behind it, it's remarkable that no one once said, hey, I wonder if anybody with a visual disability might want to use the app that this will be a part of?

Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

#69

Post by Operyl »

ctoth wrote: post #68
Operyl wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess something I have trouble wrapping my head around is when is it acceptable to give up on a11y? I mean, it seems improbable to get a11y into an expansive CLI application. Or a 3D game. When does it become OK to give up?

> it seems improbable to get a11y into an expansive CLI application Why? I used to use make menuconfig back in 2000--why should it not work now? 3d game? This I'll grant you. Some experiences are just not replicatable for the blind, though if you're interested in this at all check out the weird and wonderful world of audiogames and 3d audio with HRTF. An editor? Even a visual editor? Is not one of these experiences.…

How would you mark it up? If I have multiple panes with different data, and say a graph, how does a screen reader know that? As far as I know that kind of data can't be conveyed yet?
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