Feds probing psychiatric hospitals for locking in patients to boost profits

Post by mistermann » Thu, May 25, 2017, 1:49 PM UTC

mason240 wrote: post #17

mabbo wrote: post #3

A great example of how for-profit healthcare (or anything else) can fail. Corporate entities have an obligation to do whatever they can legally get away with in order to maximize profits. They do not have a prerogative to benefit society, or help human beings apart from what they choose to do. Every country has to decide whether the benefits of privatisation of the various services outweighs the societal costs caused…

And if you want to see examples of how government run healthcare (or anything else) can fail, just look at the history of atrocities of public psychiatric hospitals.

Post by DarkKomunalec » Thu, May 25, 2017, 1:55 PM UTC

Jare wrote: post #23

DarkKomunalec wrote: post #5

Looking forward to charges of fraud and, where applicable, imprisonment under false pretenses[1], resulting in stiff prison sentences for those responsible. [1]: The notion that psychiatric hospitals should be able to keep people there against their will is extremely suspect. A possible exception is a patient being convicted in court of an actual crime, and sent there instead of to prison by the legal system. Even th…

> The notion that psychiatric hospitals should be able to keep people there against their will is extremely suspect It is necessary to some extent because of the impact that mental and psychiatric conditions have on the will itself. But some patient-appointed external agent with formal qualifications and the power to balance decisions, even if imperfect, would go a long ways.

Post by zero_intp » Thu, May 25, 2017, 2:04 PM UTC

Post by phren0logy » Thu, May 25, 2017, 2:11 PM UTC

zero_intp wrote: post #26

Two items, this is nothing new, although it is good to see it getting news and federal attention. 20 years ago, as a minor, I was subjected to delayed releases as well as odd provocations from the care workers. In the end it took a parent rebelling and pulling me out against medical advice. Secondly, go fuck yourself, don't try to cover up involuntary restraint and criminal behavior.

Post by mozey » Thu, May 25, 2017, 2:17 PM UTC

phren0logy wrote: post #16

I'm a psychiatrist, and there are a few things to consider about this story: 1. The bulk of people in a psychiatric hospital are there voluntarily. They can walk out the door at any time. 2. When a patient is in a hospital involuntarily, their stay is subject to state laws about involuntary hospitalization. This, as far as I know, universally requires 2 independent professional opinions that a patient is actively sui…