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What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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Post by krylon »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #66
krylon wrote: post #8

On the one hand, I cannot help but feel for this person - Facebook, without an explanation, did significant damage to this person's career. At least that's the way he paints it (though he mentions a rule in his mailbox that deleted mail from facebook automatically, so there might have been a warning and all that - we'll never know). On the other hand, well, that is precisely what some people warned us of - give a sin…

Folks have tried starting alternatives to facebook: I think the real problem is that facebook is more similiar to a phone company that only connects its users to others that have the same phone company. It was the only game in town for a while, so this has made it into a near-monopoly. If facebook was required to have some level of across-platform access, this might level the playing field and give us actual choice.…

> If facebook was required to have some level of across-platform access

That would be very interesting, and I think it would be a good idea. But I imagine it would be rather hard to pull of on the technical side, even if Facebook full-heartedly supported such an effort, and I don't want to begin to think of the kind of pressure we would have to put on our politicians to create such a law without making humongous mess out of it.

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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Post by lmm »

pmlnr wrote: post #70
NuDinNou wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook is NOT a backup. If you only keep stuff in your Facebook account That's not what a back up is. Facebook can be a backup for your photos.

> Facebook can be a backup for your photos. Nonsense. Try getting the originals out of Facebook.

Easy enough if you're in the EU, where we have laws about this sort of thing.

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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Post by sumeno »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #66
krylon wrote: post #8

On the one hand, I cannot help but feel for this person - Facebook, without an explanation, did significant damage to this person's career. At least that's the way he paints it (though he mentions a rule in his mailbox that deleted mail from facebook automatically, so there might have been a warning and all that - we'll never know). On the other hand, well, that is precisely what some people warned us of - give a sin…

Folks have tried starting alternatives to facebook: I think the real problem is that facebook is more similiar to a phone company that only connects its users to others that have the same phone company. It was the only game in town for a while, so this has made it into a near-monopoly. If facebook was required to have some level of across-platform access, this might level the playing field and give us actual choice.…

Facebook has never been the only game in town. It has just been and continues to be the best game in town.

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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Post by userbinator »

flexie wrote: post #52
Jaruzel wrote: post #9

I know the article is old, but the author showed a severe lack of common sense. Facebook is NOT a backup. If you only keep stuff in your Facebook account, then it is as 'at risk' as if you only kept on the hard-drive of your ageing laptop that you bought on discount in Walmart/ASDA ten years ago. This oft quoted adage also applies: 'If you are not paying for the product, then you are the product'. The author seemed t…

Law is full of regulations and court precedents that restrict what people can do to their private property. Here on HN people seem to think that private property is like a subclass in python where the owner is free to define whatever method or property he wants and overwrite rules inherited from the society superclass. It's not. Landlords cannot just evict renters based on the landlord's own terms of service, not eve…

You can't just hit somebody in the face because they are in your house and the terms on the door clearly says that you can.

This may be worth a read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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Post by yequalsx »

userbinator wrote: post #84
flexie wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Law is full of regulations and court precedents that restrict what people can do to their private property. Here on HN people seem to think that private property is like a subclass in python where the owner is free to define whatever method or property he wants and overwrite rules inherited from the society superclass. It's not. Landlords cannot just evict renters based on the landlord's own terms of service, not eve…

You can't just hit somebody in the face because they are in your house and the terms on the door clearly says that you can. This may be worth a read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

You missed entirely flexie's point. Flexie gave numerous examples of circumstances in which the owner of a private property can not legally do as he/she pleases. Your response is to mention the castle doctrine. What is the purpose of this?

Your response is especially bad because according to the linked article:

"..as a place in which that person has protections and immunities permitting one, in certain circumstances, to use force..."

Note that is says, "in certain circumstances". Flexie wrote that you can't just hit someone in the face in your house. Flexie is correct in this and the castle doctrine in no way disputes this.

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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Post by curryhowardiso »

flexie wrote: post #52
Jaruzel wrote: post #9

I know the article is old, but the author showed a severe lack of common sense. Facebook is NOT a backup. If you only keep stuff in your Facebook account, then it is as 'at risk' as if you only kept on the hard-drive of your ageing laptop that you bought on discount in Walmart/ASDA ten years ago. This oft quoted adage also applies: 'If you are not paying for the product, then you are the product'. The author seemed t…

Law is full of regulations and court precedents that restrict what people can do to their private property. Here on HN people seem to think that private property is like a subclass in python where the owner is free to define whatever method or property he wants and overwrite rules inherited from the society superclass. It's not. Landlords cannot just evict renters based on the landlord's own terms of service, not eve…

Absolutely - and the argument that "Facebook usage is like common law licenses of invitation onto private property" tacitly assumes that Facebook is like private property, and that the moral justification of "my private property, my rules" is correct.

It's intuitive - I'll give you that - but we need to decide amongst ourselves whether this behaviour is something we want to encourage or discourage into the future.

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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Post by flexie »

userbinator wrote: post #84
flexie wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Law is full of regulations and court precedents that restrict what people can do to their private property. Here on HN people seem to think that private property is like a subclass in python where the owner is free to define whatever method or property he wants and overwrite rules inherited from the society superclass. It's not. Landlords cannot just evict renters based on the landlord's own terms of service, not eve…

You can't just hit somebody in the face because they are in your house and the terms on the door clearly says that you can. This may be worth a read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

Note how the conditions for invoking the castle doctrine are set by society, not by the property owner. It's not a method defined within the class. It's a method inherited from the superclass.

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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Post by curryhowardiso »

userbinator wrote: post #84
flexie wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Law is full of regulations and court precedents that restrict what people can do to their private property. Here on HN people seem to think that private property is like a subclass in python where the owner is free to define whatever method or property he wants and overwrite rules inherited from the society superclass. It's not. Landlords cannot just evict renters based on the landlord's own terms of service, not eve…

You can't just hit somebody in the face because they are in your house and the terms on the door clearly says that you can. This may be worth a read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

I don't believe this answer deserves a downvote.

I think this answer missed a (somewhat) negation in the middle of the parent posts' argument

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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Post by intoverflow2 »

Jaruzel wrote: post #9

I know the article is old, but the author showed a severe lack of common sense. Facebook is NOT a backup. If you only keep stuff in your Facebook account, then it is as 'at risk' as if you only kept on the hard-drive of your ageing laptop that you bought on discount in Walmart/ASDA ten years ago. This oft quoted adage also applies: 'If you are not paying for the product, then you are the product'. The author seemed t…

> Something needs to be done about Facebook's near dominance of the Social Media space

Not gonna stop now, they just have the money to buy market share. If people had jumped ship after the Insta acquire then it could have been a blow to them wasting all that money on a dead space but nah people still kept using it and fell for it because they didn't change things right away and now Instagram is a mess of ads and stolen features and the creepy data sharing from FB is oozing in through friend "suggestions".

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

tajen wrote: post #19
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can slightly mitigate this particular problem mentioned in the article (the author used it to manage FB pages): I always use at least 2 personal accounts for managing a FB page. One is actively used whereas the other one is just a backup in case something happens to the first one. Redundancy is always important, also in social media.

How did you create 2 fb accounts? Don't they ask for phone number confirmation?

I have several private FB accounts. I created them when text message verification wasn't required. But if I had to do it now, I'd have bought a couple of cheap SIM cards and still set it up the same way. I feel it's important to split your account into several ones instead of using groups of friends as recommended by FB. It's harder to profile and track you, you have more freedom and privacy in expressing yourself, you mitigate several risks etc. Only one of these accounts has my real name - I log in every couple of weeks and just accept invitations (if I care to). The other ones use common names to protect my privacy. For example, I have a separate account for reviews. Reviews are important tool for consumers to influence the quality of service/product. While I don't want to hide behind a fake name when writing a review, and if asked I can reveal my identity to the organisation in charge of the product/service, I definitely don't want everyone to see what products/services I'm using. That's just one example - if you have to use social media, do it in such a way you have at least some control in this unequal battle.
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