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What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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On the one hand, I cannot help but feel for this person - Facebook, without an explanation, did significant damage to this person's career. At least that's the way he paints it (though he mentions a rule in his mailbox that deleted mail from facebook automatically, so there might have been a warning and all that - we'll never know). On the other hand, well, that is precisely what some people warned us of - give a sin…

Not only is that addage showing its age, even though it's as applicable now as it was from its point of first usage, but I would suggest it's a disgrace that humans both think and act in such a manner. In other words, just because it's free shouldn't mean the user should be the product.

I realize a lot of people will not agree with me, however I tend to think way beyond the general human conception and as a consequence hold to a very different perspective.

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

#52
post #9

I know the article is old, but the author showed a severe lack of common sense. Facebook is NOT a backup. If you only keep stuff in your Facebook account, then it is as 'at risk' as if you only kept on the hard-drive of your ageing laptop that you bought on discount in Walmart/ASDA ten years ago. This oft quoted adage also applies: 'If you are not paying for the product, then you are the product'. The author seemed t…

Law is full of regulations and court precedents that restrict what people can do to their private property. Here on HN people seem to think that private property is like a subclass in python where the owner is free to define whatever method or property he wants and overwrite rules inherited from the society superclass. It's not.

Landlords cannot just evict renters based on the landlord's own terms of service, not even a renter's non-paying children or girlfriend with whom the landlord didn't contract, and not even the renter himself although the stopped paying: The landlord needs to follow the rules of society, go through a bailiff's court or follow similar strict procedures defined in society to ensure that mandatory law is followed.

Not everybody can set up a medical clinic on their private property, even if they offer their services for free.

TV stations in many European countries can't show hidden ads in programmes and cannot show ads for kids for certain products. Even though the viewers didn't pay. Even though they are free not to watch.

In most places landowners cannot freely decide to do what they want with their land, like building a factory, without taking into consideration zoning laws and without hearing the neighbors or wider community as well.

For millennia, what we today call criminal laws, have applied on private property as well. You can't just hit somebody in the face because they are in your house and the terms on the door clearly says that you can. Think that's ridiculous? Well, it used to be that restaurants in America could chose to serve whites only. It was the choice of the property owner. Until it wasn't. Courts and congress decided that such practices were so despicable that the general interest of non-discrimination outweighed the interest in business owners getting to decide for themselves. Same with businesses hiring men only. Today most of us regard it as obvious that non discrimination laws trump the interest of private owners. A few decades ago, most people thought the owner could choose freely whom to hire.

I hope we will start regulating the new advertising industry comprised of social networks and search engines more tightly.

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

#53
post #8

On the one hand, I cannot help but feel for this person - Facebook, without an explanation, did significant damage to this person's career. At least that's the way he paints it (though he mentions a rule in his mailbox that deleted mail from facebook automatically, so there might have been a warning and all that - we'll never know). On the other hand, well, that is precisely what some people warned us of - give a sin…

Not only is that addage showing its age, even though it's as applicable now as it was from its point of first usage, but I would suggest it's a disgrace that humans both think and act in such a manner. In other words, just because it's free shouldn't mean the user should be the product. I realize a lot of people will not agree with me, however I tend to think way beyond the general human conception and as a consequen…

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Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

#54
post #49

You should have learned to be very happy they disabled your account! Facebook is for idiots and for companies that milk those idiots. This event likely saved you for wasting even more of your precious life time. Be happy and do some great things with your life without feeling the need to constantly show off.

I partly agree with you, as I quit Facebook years ago, and have never wanted to go back. That said, I don't think people who use it are idiots. In fact, I can see that they get a lot of value from it. A lot of genuinely valuable content is siloed in Facebook - you're not an idiot just because you can't get it from somewhere else.

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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post #49

You should have learned to be very happy they disabled your account! Facebook is for idiots and for companies that milk those idiots. This event likely saved you for wasting even more of your precious life time. Be happy and do some great things with your life without feeling the need to constantly show off.

The man runs a business that depends in considerable part on his ability to maintain Facebook pages. This ban could've put that business under. A dicey model, to be sure, but in contracting you have to go where the clients are - I think this is a fair bit beyond "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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I think the worst thing that they do is disable your ability to send messages. This weekend a friend committed suicide, and I had just started a seven day ban due to idiotically posting the wrong photo (a nude) to a meme group. Whereas most of my closest friends have me on WhatsApp, so I could reassure them I was ok, it was really fucking horrible getting a bunch of Messenger messages asking if I was ok and being com…

I know it's not directly on-topic, but I find it amazing that people end up copping a seven-day ban for a bit of titty, but then nothing is done for those videos of people killing puppies and shit.

There are plenty of racist extremist kooks on FB, and their posts are rarely - if ever - banned.

Apparently a stray nipple is more of a threat to society.

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

#57
post #9

I know the article is old, but the author showed a severe lack of common sense. Facebook is NOT a backup. If you only keep stuff in your Facebook account, then it is as 'at risk' as if you only kept on the hard-drive of your ageing laptop that you bought on discount in Walmart/ASDA ten years ago. This oft quoted adage also applies: 'If you are not paying for the product, then you are the product'. The author seemed t…

But there was no reasoning given as to why he had his account disabled. Facebook is now so ubiquitous that it is in danger of becoming an essential service.

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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I think the worst thing that they do is disable your ability to send messages. This weekend a friend committed suicide, and I had just started a seven day ban due to idiotically posting the wrong photo (a nude) to a meme group. Whereas most of my closest friends have me on WhatsApp, so I could reassure them I was ok, it was really fucking horrible getting a bunch of Messenger messages asking if I was ok and being com…

Well, they banned you because they want you to stop posting inappropriate pictures (as defined by their TOS). They also stopped you from using their messager because they were afraid you would just continue sending inappropriate picture using private messages (which would make their ban completely useless). I agree though that they should have let your friends know that you cannot answer any messages for X amount of…

> Well, they banned you because they want you to stop posting inappropriate pictures (as defined by their TOS).

No, they banned him because they can do what they damn well please, and their approach to content moderation starts with a hammer and escalates from there. It would've sufficed to delete the offending post and issue a warning, even ban him from the group where he misposted the nude. Completely severing access, for a week, from a primary means of social interaction, is vastly disproportionate - that's something you do because someone has demonstrated a clear pattern of deliberately shitty behavior, not because he got loaded and acted the fool one time.

Considering the extent to which Facebook has inveigled itself into so many people's social lives, and the consequent scope and impact its moderation actions may have, I think it's long past time that some severe regime of external regulation be imposed on the corporation, whether by legislation - although that's a forlorn hope at best in the US, where Congress is largely useless no matter who's in it at any given time - or by shareholder activism, as someone else here suggested. I'm not the man to run that project, but I'd surely buy a few shares to participate in it.

To be clear, I don't want Facebook fixed, because I don't think it can be. I want Facebook gone, engineered out of profitability - and thus out of existence - and replaced with a world in which no new Facebook can arise because everyone can both own her data and identity outright, and participate in what we now call "social networking" without having to make herself beholden to any corporate behemoth at all.

It's possible! There are a lot of smart, capable people working on it, and more join in every day. Eventually, someone's going to hammer that stake into Facebook's heart. Before then, finding a way to enforce nuance upon it is a good place to start. Facebook hurts people every day, and cares not at all that it does so. As we work toward the ultimate goal of killing it, we do well also to reduce its ability to do this sort of harm.

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

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post #54
post #49

You should have learned to be very happy they disabled your account! Facebook is for idiots and for companies that milk those idiots. This event likely saved you for wasting even more of your precious life time. Be happy and do some great things with your life without feeling the need to constantly show off.

I partly agree with you, as I quit Facebook years ago, and have never wanted to go back. That said, I don't think people who use it are idiots. In fact, I can see that they get a lot of value from it. A lot of genuinely valuable content is siloed in Facebook - you're not an idiot just because you can't get it from somewhere else.

I didn't say all people who use it are idiots. But willingly sharing your private data for free while waiving all your rights? If you realise that facebook runs AI on that data and knows much more about you then you could ever imagine, and if you realise they are selling that data to companies you might not like so much, or what else more, that's pretty stupid imao.

Re: What I Learned When Facebook Disabled My Account (2012)

#60
post #9

I know the article is old, but the author showed a severe lack of common sense. Facebook is NOT a backup. If you only keep stuff in your Facebook account, then it is as 'at risk' as if you only kept on the hard-drive of your ageing laptop that you bought on discount in Walmart/ASDA ten years ago. This oft quoted adage also applies: 'If you are not paying for the product, then you are the product'. The author seemed t…

As usual, there's an eerily appropriate xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1150/.
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