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Re: Facebook – cancer of our generation

#11

Post by jasode »

A meta comment... the blog post has the tag "Filter Bubble" which might be ironic because Facebook stories on HN and similar tech sites will be overwhelmingly negative. As a matter of fact, I have never seen a positive Facebook-as-social-networking-site story on HN. (To clarify, there were a few positive Facebook stories about their various open source projects but not about the social networking function.)

For instance, if I consider a random grandmother who logs into Fb to see her photos of grandkids and catch up on other retirees, she's probably not going to write an blog post saying Facebook is a cancer. She feels Facebook enhances her life. If you lecture her on swapping out Facebook time with meeting people in real life, she'll say her grandchildren are in another city and you're an insensitive idiot.

I don't have a Facebook account nor am I a Facebook sociology expert but I wonder if this forum (filter bubble) gives a massively warped picture of how Facebook adds value to peoples lives. (Especially the people who are not programmers or techies.)

Re: Facebook – cancer of our generation

#13

Post by pdelbarba »

jasode wrote: post #11

A meta comment... the blog post has the tag "Filter Bubble" which might be ironic because Facebook stories on HN and similar tech sites will be overwhelmingly negative. As a matter of fact, I have never seen a positive Facebook-as-social-networking-site story on HN. (To clarify, there were a few positive Facebook stories about their various open source projects but not about the social networking function.) For insta…

All things in moderation I suppose. I don't have an issue with Facebook's basic premise, just the emergent behavior of it's community and what the managing company has become. When I used it, it had both positive and negative outcomes, like many things. I just found that many of those around me were causing serious self through overuse of the platform.

I think it is a social parallel to alcohol. Somewhat helpful for meeting new people, not so helpful as a replacement for a social life.

The problem occurs when a public mega corporation is managing the entire flow of this product though. Imagine if every bar in your town was owned by Walmart and they were hell bent on keeping everyone engaged as often and for as long as possible, data mining and optimizing all your interactions. People would probably see that as a bad thing.

Re: Facebook – cancer of our generation

#14

Post by tpae »

pdelbarba wrote: post #13
jasode wrote: post #11

A meta comment... the blog post has the tag "Filter Bubble" which might be ironic because Facebook stories on HN and similar tech sites will be overwhelmingly negative. As a matter of fact, I have never seen a positive Facebook-as-social-networking-site story on HN. (To clarify, there were a few positive Facebook stories about their various open source projects but not about the social networking function.) For insta…

All things in moderation I suppose. I don't have an issue with Facebook's basic premise, just the emergent behavior of it's community and what the managing company has become. When I used it, it had both positive and negative outcomes, like many things. I just found that many of those around me were causing serious self through overuse of the platform. I think it is a social parallel to alcohol. Somewhat helpful for…

I agree. I also don't like the fact that my "likes" are being sold. One of my friend took a snapshot of an ad featuring my "like" an ad about "Asian Dating" website... How embarrassing!

Re: Facebook – cancer of our generation

#15

Post by CodeMage »

jasode wrote: post #11

A meta comment... the blog post has the tag "Filter Bubble" which might be ironic because Facebook stories on HN and similar tech sites will be overwhelmingly negative. As a matter of fact, I have never seen a positive Facebook-as-social-networking-site story on HN. (To clarify, there were a few positive Facebook stories about their various open source projects but not about the social networking function.) For insta…

Facebook is a lot more than what you portray in your comment. A random grandmother who logs into Facebook to see photos of her grandkids could get that same value from many other sources: Google Photos, Instagram and just plain old e-mail come to mind immediately.

I closed my Facebook account this year, precisely because Facebook ended up consuming too much of my time with bullshit I shouldn't be spending time or energy on, instead of providing value you mention. Yes, it does say something about me and how I choose to spend my time and react to content on Facebook, but it also says something about Facebook's algorithms.

Whenever people tell me "well, Facebook algorithms simply react to your inputs", I feel that they're forgetting that you could design an infinite number of algorithms that take the same set of inputs and produce different outputs. There are people behind those algorithms. There's human intent behind them, just as there's human intent behind other Facebook's practices people criticize.

In short, we're not criticizing Facebook-the-simple-photo-sharing-app, we're criticizing people who made Facebook into a complex machine designed to cash in on some of the darker aspects of human nature.

Re: Facebook – cancer of our generation

#16

Post by CodeMage »

pdelbarba wrote: post #13
jasode wrote: post #11

A meta comment... the blog post has the tag "Filter Bubble" which might be ironic because Facebook stories on HN and similar tech sites will be overwhelmingly negative. As a matter of fact, I have never seen a positive Facebook-as-social-networking-site story on HN. (To clarify, there were a few positive Facebook stories about their various open source projects but not about the social networking function.) For insta…

All things in moderation I suppose. I don't have an issue with Facebook's basic premise, just the emergent behavior of it's community and what the managing company has become. When I used it, it had both positive and negative outcomes, like many things. I just found that many of those around me were causing serious self through overuse of the platform. I think it is a social parallel to alcohol. Somewhat helpful for…

Or, to take your alcohol metaphor closer to what Facebook tries to be, imagine if Budweiser was actively striving to curate all the content you consume, to be your main source of news, to be your main channel of communication with other people and to track all your habits as much as it can, all so they could get you to drink as much Budweiser as they could make you.

Re: Facebook – cancer of our generation

#18

Post by rabboRubble »

Had a 2 week holiday where I no internet access. Was very worried going into it that I would be bored without a steady stream of news and online distractions like FB. I didn't miss it at all and was most relieved to be away from FB. Recently, the app notifications had gotten out of hand with bullshit. "X just posted a photo. How about commenting on it?".

Coming home, I decided to keep my FB account but delete the app from my phone and remove FB from the list of sites I visit every day.

Think part of the problem with FB is that I'm technically inclined. If I were less aware of what it does and how it works, I could just bop around consuming stuff without feeling a pressure to clear all the alerts. Or even be completely oblivious to the fact there alerts.

One of the reasons I decided to keep an FB account is for access FB's emergency alert "I'm okay" feature. I lived through a natural disaster, and FB was really freaking useful to be able to communicate with people. I could set one status, and everybody could see it, without having to communicate over and over again with the same "I'm okay" information.

Re: Facebook – cancer of our generation

#19

Post by styts »

I've managed to break the daily habit by installing a browser extension that removes the main feed, while leaving the others, e.g. groups.

Not able to delete my account completely, because some of the social events I partake in are organized via FB.

Re: Facebook – cancer of our generation

#20

Post by tarboreus »

CodeMage wrote: post #16
pdelbarba wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All things in moderation I suppose. I don't have an issue with Facebook's basic premise, just the emergent behavior of it's community and what the managing company has become. When I used it, it had both positive and negative outcomes, like many things. I just found that many of those around me were causing serious self through overuse of the platform. I think it is a social parallel to alcohol. Somewhat helpful for…

Or, to take your alcohol metaphor closer to what Facebook tries to be, imagine if Budweiser was actively striving to curate all the content you consume, to be your main source of news, to be your main channel of communication with other people and to track all your habits as much as it can, all so they could get you to drink as much Budweiser as they could make you.

And then the CEO of Budweiser runs for president.
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