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Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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wutbrodo wrote: post #50
anigbrowl wrote: post #41

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I don't understand why engineers tend to care so little about the quality of their clothes Virtue signaling. It says you're focused on your intellectual pursuits rather than material things (in contrast to 'the suits'). This is actually great from a hiring manager's point of view, because you can also guess (guess, not know) from someone's appearance whether they are single and to what degree they take care of themse…

Oh please. Virtue signalling is a useful topic, but it gets really tiresome to see people who just discovered the concept run around and excitedly apply it to everything, like a child with a new toy. The downside of higher quality clothing (money) is obvious: it's the upside that needs explaining. Fashion is the prototypical example of signaling, and quality as held separate from fashion has a couple minor advantages…

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Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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syphilis2 wrote: post #10

It's surprisingly difficult to find a pair of jeans that I really like, and I've taken to altering my own to make up for the shortcomings. Nearly all have reduced the number of belt loops to 5, so I always add 2 more in the back on either side. I've started seeing really short zippers, which is unfixable and best to avoid. I've noticed a lot of ill fitting jeans bunch around the crotch or suffer from being a "cheap h…

LL Bean jeans aren't too bad, but they have thin pocket material.

I really wish I could have the old Levis 505s back. No, the new ones aren't the same. No, the 550s are not a good alternative. I just want "regular fit" jeans with a normal rise, not the low-rise jeans everyone else seems to want.

Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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Post by vvillena »

twblalock wrote: post #142
syphilis2 wrote: post #10

It's surprisingly difficult to find a pair of jeans that I really like, and I've taken to altering my own to make up for the shortcomings. Nearly all have reduced the number of belt loops to 5, so I always add 2 more in the back on either side. I've started seeing really short zippers, which is unfixable and best to avoid. I've noticed a lot of ill fitting jeans bunch around the crotch or suffer from being a "cheap h…

LL Bean jeans aren't too bad, but they have thin pocket material. I really wish I could have the old Levis 505s back. No, the new ones aren't the same. No, the 550s are not a good alternative. I just want "regular fit" jeans with a normal rise, not the low-rise jeans everyone else seems to want.

I have a pair of 505 that is 20+ years and still looks like new. The tint faded a bit but the cloth and craft are perfect.

That's why they don't make them anymore, I suppose.

Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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Post by watwut »

baus wrote: post #23
nightski wrote: post #21

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The quality difference would have to be substantial. I bring in a very high income for my area, and the thought of spending $300-$400 on a single pair of jeans is pretty out there. An $80 pair of jeans, which will often be on sale for $40-$50 will last me for 2-3 years and are of average quality. It seems to me like one would have to justify these jeans on the fashion/novelty aspect, and not quality/value as it just…

If you take a pair of unwashed 501s and compare them to a pair of unwashed Iron Heart denim, you will see that the quality difference is substantial. Whether that matters is something you have to decide for yourself Since I wear denim almost everyday, the quality difference and the attention to detail matters to me. It reminds me that attention to detail matters in my own work I don't understand why engineers tend to…

Some people (me) genuinely are oblivious to the differences - shopping is annoying chore and it just does not make enough difference. You basically want to be done with it and wear whatever is generally socially appropriate as long as you can.

Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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Post by watwut »

anigbrowl wrote: post #41
baus wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you take a pair of unwashed 501s and compare them to a pair of unwashed Iron Heart denim, you will see that the quality difference is substantial. Whether that matters is something you have to decide for yourself Since I wear denim almost everyday, the quality difference and the attention to detail matters to me. It reminds me that attention to detail matters in my own work I don't understand why engineers tend to…

I don't understand why engineers tend to care so little about the quality of their clothes Virtue signaling. It says you're focused on your intellectual pursuits rather than material things (in contrast to 'the suits'). This is actually great from a hiring manager's point of view, because you can also guess (guess, not know) from someone's appearance whether they are single and to what degree they take care of themse…

> you may not be able to readily distinguish expensive clothes from cheap ones, or see the point of wearing them. But other people do, and if you look like money, you will be able to get more money in negotiations. If you look or say that you don't care about such things, you'll get lots of affirmation and less money, because affirmation is virtually free.

but ... it is supposed to be meritocracy :)

Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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Post by coldtea »

lostlogin wrote: post #53
coldtea wrote: post #18

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> A far as male pants/trousers go, your choices are basically jeans, corduroys, or khakis (chinos) Why, what happened to cotton lycra, herringbone, linen, traditional business suit trousers etc?

Lycra in the workplace needs to stop.

Was speaking of lycra blends (with cotton, wool etc) for pants (were lycra is minimum just to give them elasticity), but sure, why not lycra itself too...

Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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Post by watwut »

Nav_Panel wrote: post #59
wutbrodo wrote: post #50

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Oh please. Virtue signalling is a useful topic, but it gets really tiresome to see people who just discovered the concept run around and excitedly apply it to everything, like a child with a new toy. The downside of higher quality clothing (money) is obvious: it's the upside that needs explaining. Fashion is the prototypical example of signaling, and quality as held separate from fashion has a couple minor advantages…

I think there are other reasons to dress well other than just signaling. I personally find psychological benefits to dressing nicely -- I feel much more industrious and "ready-to-work" when I wear a nice outfit to work compared to tshirt/jeans/sneakers, plus I get a nice "switch" effect when I get home and can take it all off. Similarly, I feel more prepared to exercise when I switch into my exercise clothes, even th…

It may different by local culture, but I have tech colleagues who take care about how they look and are pretty stylish. Not really suits, but officially looking shirt. I did not noticed any discrimination against them.

There is also big difference between formal rules you can be fired for not following and informal ones - informal are still limiting but people cross them once in a while and you often finds it is actually ok in the long term.

People like to generalize tech as if everything would be stereotypical frat like start up, but it is not the case.

Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

icc97 wrote: post #44

When 90% of the people around you are all wearing some shade of blue jeans, its a bit the same as everybody driving around in cars in some shade of grey (which they do at least in Belgium). That is, it's just really boring. Colour is one of the few things we've got to express ourselves, so it's a shame we don't use it more.

No, thank you. I'll take my clothing in shades of black, grey, and blue. Everything matches everything else, and it is freaking fabulous. I'm rarely too over/under-dressed. Even in a rush, my clothes look decent. Not only that, but I find I don't need so many clothes now and definitely don't need as many shoes.

Color? I can save that for my hair, which tends to have blue or green shades. I can save it for a bit of makeup when I wear it. I can save it for paintings and artwork and making nice-looking food.

Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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Post by wcummings »

syphilis2 wrote: post #10

It's surprisingly difficult to find a pair of jeans that I really like, and I've taken to altering my own to make up for the shortcomings. Nearly all have reduced the number of belt loops to 5, so I always add 2 more in the back on either side. I've started seeing really short zippers, which is unfixable and best to avoid. I've noticed a lot of ill fitting jeans bunch around the crotch or suffer from being a "cheap h…

>I've started seeing really short zippers, which is unfixable and best to avoid.

Buttons are where its at.

Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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Post by upvotinglurker »

woobar wrote: post #95
squeaky-clean wrote: post #63

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Prices aren't always so high. I think $150-200 is more common, and there's even ones like Unbranded that run $80-120 (and go on sale too). It's still a bit more than regular jeans, but I like jeans a lot, and I spend more time wearing jeans than I do playing Xbox or something, so I don't mind spending more on my favorite pair of jeans. Another particular reason people love raw denim is the high contrast fades that ma…

I wonder how this picture (captioned "Daily wear riding motorcycles") works with the common american attitude of washing their clothes after wearing them just once? I know some people will wear jeans two/three times before washing them, but changing clothes daily is still expected in the office environment. So you will need at least 5 different pairs to cycle through each week. At the end of the year each pair is wor…

In the kind of office where jeans are allowed/expected, does anyone actually notice or care whether they're a different pair every day? (Different shirt every day, definitely, but jeans?)
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