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1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by chii »

epsylon wrote: post #434
chx wrote: post #352

"May I search your laptop?" "Certainly." "But... this is practically empty." "Yes sir. I FedEx'd my SSD to the destination." I have a small SSD in the primary disk in my T420s, it has just enough to get me through the flight. I keep the primary in the UltraBay with a simple adapter, takes one reboot and no tools to put it back in place. Done. Happy searching! I can't log into anything even if I wanted to because I ph…

"Why did you FedEx your SSD to the destination? Do you have something to hide? You're gonna have to follow us."

"everybody's got something to hide! I've got nothing hidden that's illegal."

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by mirimir »

sneak wrote: post #458
mirimir wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> PS: they can also take all your devices for imaging and keep them for 48 hours - but you will likely have to sue them to get them back after that time. You don't really want them back, anyway. So you just don't carry anything valuable, in any sense.

If only running three companies afforded me the ability to be without a computer, phone, or tablet for 24-48h while they are shipped/replaced. That's called a vacation. What you describe is simply impractical for a person in my line of work.

If you're running three companies, you can carry throwaway devices.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by chii »

xg15 wrote: post #400
sethev wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the question is "are you hiding any information" then the obvious (and true) answer is no. If the question is "did you use travel mode for 1password" then that's a very different question. Unless you can point out a statute that requires you to travel with certain information on your device it's hard for me to see the problem. Your position seems to be that if you were carrying your checkbook (as an American) and…

I don't think searches of accounts are in any way excusable either, but for the purpose of rules-lawyering: You have deliberately chosen to make certain information not available during the search period and are planning to make it available again once the search is over. I can absolutely see how that counts as "hiding".

Therefore, if you had a device to withdraw money remotely that required entering your pin, and if the security agent asked you for your pin, would you provide it?

What if my laptop had similar capabilities?

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by justincormack »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #435
wuschel wrote: post #412

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This sounds like the reprisals citizens of the totalitarian states in the Warsaw Pact had to endure. Heads up for pushing against it. Out of curiosity, do you know if there are any people trying to challenge these rulings/treatment they receive in court?

At least in those - and I'm sure this still happens - you could bribe the officials. Actually is that possible in the US or do the border officials still have a stick up their arse? I mean if you work for a big multinational IT company, surely they can provide a few hundred bucks to bribe someone to skip security. Bribing the police is normal in a lot of countries.

You can get a 10 year prison sentence or so for bribery. In any country in the world, you can be prosecuted there, or in the US or Europe. You will probably also be fired.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by adventured »

veidr wrote: post #425
akvadrako wrote: post #415

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Any idea why this happens to you? Your story suggests some targeting.

I was once on a list that got me secondary searching every single time I flew in the USA, for several years. This was back in the 1990s, when asking for your password wasn't a thing I've ever heard of them doing, but also when me bringing 128-bit encryption software (aka the US version of Netscape Navigator) to Japan, where I was a foreign student, was a serious crime akin to arms smuggling. Of course, I never found…

> he was on the same list, despite being a super rich fat white guy from Microsoft.

What could the "fat" part of that possibly have to do with anything related to targeting, other than as a cheap excuse for you to denigrate Myhrvold?

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

jonknee wrote: post #377
thomasahle wrote: post #374

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> I FedEx'd my SSD to the destination. Are there any examples of laptops / ssds being searched in international mail?

If you take the time to FedEx your SSD to avoid customs you certainly made sure the disk was encrypted...

NSA can probably modify the firmware to create some sort of backdoor, if you actually look like that would be worthwhile?

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by TallGuyShort »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #375
TallGuyShort wrote: post #305

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Recently delayed by the TSA to the point of missing my turn to board. Was subjected to additional searching. Upon finding nothing, I discovered the extra searching was what they do when you fail the hand swab test. I had not had the test administered. So they administered the test. I passed. They then searched my things again and I was questioned regarding the quantity of business cards I was carrying. Oh also I'm wh…

Pretty sure parent was just saying that it's way more likely to happen to you if you're not white, not that 100% of white people will pass through unaccosted.

Well given that parent used phrases like "entirely depends" and "definitely", I didn't get that at all. And given my own experience of being consistently delayed in most locations and being white, I think there are clearly more factors. And if true, those factors affect more people and amplify the effect of racially motivated factors.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

chii wrote: post #463
xg15 wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think searches of accounts are in any way excusable either, but for the purpose of rules-lawyering: You have deliberately chosen to make certain information not available during the search period and are planning to make it available again once the search is over. I can absolutely see how that counts as "hiding".

Therefore, if you had a device to withdraw money remotely that required entering your pin, and if the security agent asked you for your pin, would you provide it? What if my laptop had similar capabilities?

The bank PIN isn't really comparable as government agents can access bank info (in UK at least); the only purpose of the PIN is money withdrawal - surely there is no situation where a border agent would be legally asking for that PIN?

If it's going to bother you why not just use a dumb device and a VPN to access your sensitive data?

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by sneak »

mirimir wrote: post #462
sneak wrote: post #458

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only running three companies afforded me the ability to be without a computer, phone, or tablet for 24-48h while they are shipped/replaced. That's called a vacation. What you describe is simply impractical for a person in my line of work.

If you're running three companies, you can carry throwaway devices.

You misunderstand me; it is not the issue of the cost of the device, but the 2-4h on each side of imaging and restoring (for mobiles) or the 4-8h on each side for computers.
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