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Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by mcv »

fernandotakai wrote: post #142
rosser wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can the border patrol ask you to sign into any online service? If you're a non-citizen attempting to enter the US under a visa waiver program, from certain countries, yes, they can.

a border officer searched for me on fucking facebook when i was going into the us in march. she said "i just want to know who you are and why you are coming". i don't have a facebook account. she said this was really suspicious. oh and she also found suspicious that i had two us entry stamps within a week of each other and didn't accept my explanation that i had gone through the us to go to england with my wife (even…

> she said "i just want to know who you are and why you are coming".

Isn't that what passport and visa are for?

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by lawl »

brokenmachine wrote: post #373
avaer wrote: post #312

When the features start rolling out, the market entrenches the status quo. Props to 1Password though; this is a symptom and they are not the cause. I guess the reasonable next step, when all the outrage has fizzled, is pre-screening. Pay for the government to have all of your passwords all the time, and save yourself the hassle.

>I guess the reasonable next step, when all the outrage has fizzled, is pre-screening. Pay for the government to have all of your passwords all the time, and save yourself the hassle. Lol, on what planet is that the "reasonable next step"?? Do they want to see my dick pics and login to my bank accounts as well? My poetry or whatever rambling I may write? Am I not entitled to any privacy at all? The actual reasonable…

I assume that was meant as "it's reasonable to expect this as the next step".

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by lacampbell »

staticelf wrote: post #422
aldanor wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which makes Ireland the only English-speaking country where you don't expect stuff like this to happen?

I don't understand why the language would matter? In Sweden we don't have this control and we speak better english than many americans.

No, you don't.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by mcv »

jackjeff wrote: post #48

In a true democracy this would be a pointless feature.

The world is bigger than one country. It's not for traveling to democracies, it's for traveling to totalitarian regimes. Sadly, that's where the US seems to be heading now. But it will also be useful for travel to China or North Korea.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by Sophira »

I think this is an incredibly worrisome move on 1Password's part. Coming from the right motives, but ultimately it'll end up being used against us.

Look at it from the perspective of the government. By bringing information from elsewhere into the US, you're importing it. It just so happens that the import security is tight in airports. So you use 1Password to delay importing this data until you can reach it through an alternative import method which is much harder to regulate - the Internet.

What's going to happen is that they'll spend much more effort on tightening up the "import security" from the Internet. Things like SSL/TLS MITMing and deep packet inspection will be used to enforce compliance.

Don't get me wrong. The ability to be able to do this is incredibly important. If they had marketed this as anything other than a travel mode specifically, and let users work it out themselves, it'd probably be better. But as it is, they've created something which is basically publicly stating that it exists to break import security, and as a result it's going to get a lot of attention from the wrong people. I worry that the existence of this mode this is going to be used by the government as an excuse to have a "Great Firewall of America".

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by mcv »

mikestew wrote: post #371
badminton1 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This happened at a US port of entry https://www.cnet.com/news/researcher-detained-at-u-s-border-... He didn't get hit with a wrench, but rather got all his stuff seized by the FBI.

He didn't get hit with a wrench, but rather got all his stuff seized by the FBI. I don't know if you've ever been hit with a wrench, but those two things are nothing alike. Starting with the fact that the FBI might not have gained access to the data in your story.

Without context, they are very different things. In this context, however, they amount to the same thing. Your technical solution doesn't work when someone can use force against you.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by mirimir »

sneak wrote: post #409
techsupporter wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you[, a citizen of the United States,] ever get asked that question at the US border, please don't acquiesce to that request. Absolutely agreed. I will do this[0]. I'm a U.S. citizen with the unequivocal right to enter the country once my citizenship has been established. U.S. citizens are the only ones who can stand up to this madness--either at the border or by influencing and electing people who can change th…

I have been that guy. All of 2009-2013 or so. After being locked in secondary with no comms, food, or water for hours on hours enough times, one gives up. CBP once kicked me out of a border control point in northern Vermont, in a snowstorm, in February. I had to hitchhike simply to not freeze (my sim didn't work, so no way to call a cab, and they had sent the bus on without me, hours earlier). I've been searched, bot…

> PS: they can also take all your devices for imaging and keep them for 48 hours - but you will likely have to sue them to get them back after that time.

You don't really want them back, anyway. So you just don't carry anything valuable, in any sense.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by sneak »

mirimir wrote: post #457
sneak wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been that guy. All of 2009-2013 or so. After being locked in secondary with no comms, food, or water for hours on hours enough times, one gives up. CBP once kicked me out of a border control point in northern Vermont, in a snowstorm, in February. I had to hitchhike simply to not freeze (my sim didn't work, so no way to call a cab, and they had sent the bus on without me, hours earlier). I've been searched, bot…

> PS: they can also take all your devices for imaging and keep them for 48 hours - but you will likely have to sue them to get them back after that time. You don't really want them back, anyway. So you just don't carry anything valuable, in any sense.

If only running three companies afforded me the ability to be without a computer, phone, or tablet for 24-48h while they are shipped/replaced.

That's called a vacation.

What you describe is simply impractical for a person in my line of work.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by rawfan »

Sophira wrote: post #455

I think this is an incredibly worrisome move on 1Password's part. Coming from the right motives, but ultimately it'll end up being used against us. Look at it from the perspective of the government. By bringing information from elsewhere into the US, you're importing it. It just so happens that the import security is tight in airports. So you use 1Password to delay importing this data until you can reach it through a…

The difference is: with physical access, "they" are in control (during import). Importing over the internet, the user is in control (by using proper encryption).

If they beat encryption, everything is over anyway.

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