NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

Post by coldtea » Wed, May 24, 2017, 10:05 AM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #21

fao_ wrote: post #16

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> The real danger is nobody cares anymore, as this enables all further constitution violations and hollowing of citizen protection worldwide. It is amusing to me that -- in context of your comment -- the current second comment starts with "Well, this isn't news".

It's not news to me. But it does seem like most people don't care. Or don't care enough. However, what could they do, even if they cared enough?

Post by coldtea » Wed, May 24, 2017, 10:08 AM UTC

mtgx wrote: post #20

dovdovdov wrote: post #13

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When I saw the movie Idiocracy, I said this is a bit exaggerated. Well, we are heading there in acceleration. It's astounding how little people care about the many walks of life.

They'll start caring again about privacy when people start being dragged out of their homes in the middle of the night for participating in protests, not just against the government, but against large corporations, too. And many people will lose their lives in the process, or will be imprisoned for years until things change again, and so on. I guess we'll have to do real fighting for our human rights once again (unfo…

Post by coldtea » Wed, May 24, 2017, 10:09 AM UTC

cxromos wrote: post #18

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There's this really interesting assertion in Weight of Chains 2 by Boris Malagurski: Serbia (Yugoslavia) before the Balkan Wars had an excellent education system that produced many scholars in the diaspora still today. The West/NATO/EU bombed that to the ground, along with the economy (factories, banks, telecom). Those who are still in Serbia now and are in charge have not been able to recreate an education system th…

I call Bullshit on you. The one of the product of that excellent education system was Milosevic as well. Serbia with Milosevic started the last Balkan Wars in its desire to renew Dusan's Empire, or in common tongue, to make a greater Serbia. First in Slovenia, later on in Croatia then in Bosnia and Herzegovina. When it started on the south, in between Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia, Greece, Turkey, it became too…

Post by ff10 » Wed, May 24, 2017, 10:14 AM UTC

josteink wrote: post #28

mtgx wrote: post #19

So who's going to prison over these "illegal searches"? Oh, let me guess - nobody, because intelligence agencies seem to always be above the law?

Why should the people in power go to prison for doing illegal stuff just because they got caught? If they don't imprison themsleves, who's going to force them? What do they have to lose by not doing so themselves? These are the simple questions (with relatively simple answers) you need to ask. If they have nothing to lose, then why do you expect them to follow the law? Until you give them something to lose, why shoul…

Post by libeclipse » Wed, May 24, 2017, 10:16 AM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #29

endymi0n wrote: post #11

I think the most dangerous thing is that what Snowden predicted actually happened by now. After all the revelations, nobody is interested anymore. There's this general fatigue and powerlessness that leads to a feeling of "well, yeah, everbody knows by now... what's the news here?" - even for me as a security expert and privacy proponent. The real danger is nobody cares anymore, as this enables all further constitutio…

> The real danger is nobody cares anymore, as this enables all further constitution violations and hollowing of citizen protection worldwide. The upside is that a society that doesn't care, eventually gets what it deserves.