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Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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I think the most dangerous thing is that what Snowden predicted actually happened by now. After all the revelations, nobody is interested anymore. There's this general fatigue and powerlessness that leads to a feeling of "well, yeah, everbody knows by now... what's the news here?" - even for me as a security expert and privacy proponent.

The real danger is nobody cares anymore, as this enables all further constitution violations and hollowing of citizen protection worldwide.

Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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Well, this isn't exactly news. What's interesting, however, is how interagency sharing doesn't get mentioned often in this debate. Such as SOD, where DEA, DHS, FBI, IRS, etc can access the data.[0,1,2,3] And use it secretly in criminal investigations, through parallel construction. Which, by the way, involves criminal conspiracy to suborn perjury.

0) http://www.reuters.com/article/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130...

1) https://www.deamuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/042215-...

2) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/08/fbi-changes-...

3) https://www.wired.com/2017/01/just-time-trump-nsa-loosens-pr...

Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

#13

I think the most dangerous thing is that what Snowden predicted actually happened by now. After all the revelations, nobody is interested anymore. There's this general fatigue and powerlessness that leads to a feeling of "well, yeah, everbody knows by now... what's the news here?" - even for me as a security expert and privacy proponent. The real danger is nobody cares anymore, as this enables all further constitutio…

When I saw the movie Idiocracy, I said this is a bit exaggerated. Well, we are heading there in acceleration.

It's astounding how little people care about the many walks of life.

Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shoot the messenger, huh. If you don't realize there is a problem with "702" authorizations, whether it involves your preferred candidate Obama or not, then maybe you aren't paying attention? Do you want Trump or any president, or more accurately, unelected intel agencies abusing power like this with no recourse and no oversight?[0] Doesn't this concern you? Well.. it's up for reauthorization later in the year, and n…

> Shoot the messenger, huh. In this case: absolutely! NSA stories are too important to be dragged down by some news aggregation platform trying to feign original, investigative journalism on a site that's borderline unusable on the desktop. Circa literally numbers every passage—interspersing ads every few—while providing a cringe-worthy video of their reporter reading a script in a tone too grave to possibly be genui…

With reader view in Firefox, it's fine.

Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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I think the most dangerous thing is that what Snowden predicted actually happened by now. After all the revelations, nobody is interested anymore. There's this general fatigue and powerlessness that leads to a feeling of "well, yeah, everbody knows by now... what's the news here?" - even for me as a security expert and privacy proponent. The real danger is nobody cares anymore, as this enables all further constitutio…

There's this really interesting assertion in Weight of Chains 2 by Boris Malagurski:

Serbia (Yugoslavia) before the Balkan Wars had an excellent education system that produced many scholars in the diaspora still today.

The West/NATO/EU bombed that to the ground, along with the economy (factories, banks, telecom).

Those who are still in Serbia now and are in charge have not been able to recreate an education system that is effective- in fact, 33% of Serbs are fuctionally illiterate in high school.

The ruling class of politicians resemble reality TV stars like Trump more than anything else.

Many Serbs there vote like Americans- they either are enthusiastic about a candidate for populist reasons.... or they don't vote at all.

What's the net effect of this? Those in power are truly unqualified and dangerous, but the critical mass of apathetic and potentially illogical voters wlll keep them there.

As a result, the intelligent minority suffers.

And many leave.

Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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I think the most dangerous thing is that what Snowden predicted actually happened by now. After all the revelations, nobody is interested anymore. There's this general fatigue and powerlessness that leads to a feeling of "well, yeah, everbody knows by now... what's the news here?" - even for me as a security expert and privacy proponent. The real danger is nobody cares anymore, as this enables all further constitutio…

> The real danger is nobody cares anymore, as this enables all further constitution violations and hollowing of citizen protection worldwide.

It is amusing to me that -- in context of your comment -- the current second comment starts with "Well, this isn't news".

Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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Wikipedia states that circa.com is a recently acquired property of the Sinclair Broadcast Group, who is known for mandating stations to carry canned editorials as news [0]. Google also shows this report as surfacing ~month ago [1].

I agree that what the government did is insane, but this is a pretty poor source.

[0]: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/08/527462015/...

[1]: https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=%22I+think+what+this+e...

Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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I think the most dangerous thing is that what Snowden predicted actually happened by now. After all the revelations, nobody is interested anymore. There's this general fatigue and powerlessness that leads to a feeling of "well, yeah, everbody knows by now... what's the news here?" - even for me as a security expert and privacy proponent. The real danger is nobody cares anymore, as this enables all further constitutio…

There's this really interesting assertion in Weight of Chains 2 by Boris Malagurski: Serbia (Yugoslavia) before the Balkan Wars had an excellent education system that produced many scholars in the diaspora still today. The West/NATO/EU bombed that to the ground, along with the economy (factories, banks, telecom). Those who are still in Serbia now and are in charge have not been able to recreate an education system th…

I call Bullshit on you. The one of the product of that excellent education system was Milosevic as well. Serbia with Milosevic started the last Balkan Wars in its desire to renew Dusan's Empire, or in common tongue, to make a greater Serbia. First in Slovenia, later on in Croatia then in Bosnia and Herzegovina. When it started on the south, in between Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia, Greece, Turkey, it became too dangerous not to stop it. The US waited for Srebrenica to happen to put a stop on it in Bosnia and Herzegovina. This time the US and the EU correctly recognized the danger of leaving the situation to deteriorate to something that would be danger to the region and the ordinary people. Those in Serbia included.

Re: NSA secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years

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I think the most dangerous thing is that what Snowden predicted actually happened by now. After all the revelations, nobody is interested anymore. There's this general fatigue and powerlessness that leads to a feeling of "well, yeah, everbody knows by now... what's the news here?" - even for me as a security expert and privacy proponent. The real danger is nobody cares anymore, as this enables all further constitutio…

When I saw the movie Idiocracy, I said this is a bit exaggerated. Well, we are heading there in acceleration. It's astounding how little people care about the many walks of life.

They'll start caring again about privacy when people start being dragged out of their homes in the middle of the night for participating in protests, not just against the government, but against large corporations, too.

And many people will lose their lives in the process, or will be imprisoned for years until things change again, and so on. I guess we'll have to do real fighting for our human rights once again (unfortunately).

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