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Uber Plans Millions in Back Pay After Shortchanging NYC Drivers

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Re: Uber Plans Millions in Back Pay After Shortchanging NYC Drivers

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One could argue not all laws are moral and that following immoral laws is emphasising your own interests over those of humanity. If abiding by the law was people's only priority, there would be no widespread usage of public key cryptography (it was extremely illegal in the early 1990s, and only gained legal acceptance after cypherpunks pushed back against the laws and proliferated its use), which would have prevented…

In general yes, but can you really argue that taxi licenses are immoral?

If you're telling Joe that he can't give Bill a ride, in exchange for money, that to me seems very oppressive.

Re: Uber Plans Millions in Back Pay After Shortchanging NYC Drivers

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One could argue not all laws are moral and that following immoral laws is emphasising your own interests over those of humanity. If abiding by the law was people's only priority, there would be no widespread usage of public key cryptography (it was extremely illegal in the early 1990s, and only gained legal acceptance after cypherpunks pushed back against the laws and proliferated its use), which would have prevented…

You could, and I often do. But the laws you should break in the interests of humanity are ones that permit things like slavery or other mistreatment of people. If you're engaged in commerce, don't conflate your commercial interests with those of humanity at large. It's possible that you're serving both at once, but not probable, and when you are in it for the money your objective assessment of such things is severely…

Commerce is economic production and coordination at scale. It enables humanity to have a far higher standard of living than would otherwise be possible. In my opinion, it is a moral imperative to remove all restrictions on voluntary economic actions and interactions, both for utilitarian reasons, and for the sake of the individual's right to control their own body and actions.

Re: Uber Plans Millions in Back Pay After Shortchanging NYC Drivers

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I'm breaking a 4 yr HN commenting-hiatus to post this: it's a bit disappointing to see how the quality of HN comments has deteriorated over the years. Virtually all the comments I'm seeing here are sensationalist sentiments/anecdotes, backed with no facts, reverberated in an echo chamber. This is a plead to the HN moderators to continue to iterate on your product to improve the quality of the comments.

Isn't your own observation also a post based on anecdotes?

Re: Uber Plans Millions in Back Pay After Shortchanging NYC Drivers

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Haha wow, meanwhile at Oracle, having our commissions miscalculated by a team of experts is a feature, not a bug. And somehow those miscalculations are NEVER in our favor, and always result in delayed payment. It's like working for Crytek, but even worse.

What's specifically bad about Crytek?

Re: Uber Plans Millions in Back Pay After Shortchanging NYC Drivers

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That's a huge "bug" not to notice for presumably a long time. I recently had a Lyft driver in NYC talk to me about how he quit uber after doing the math on what his fare should have been when a passenger told him how much they were being charged. He brought it up to uber and then quit when they didn't fix it. Anecdotal story but seems extremely relevant now

I've also had Lyft drivers tell me that they stopped driving for Uber after they didn't pay promised bonuses for meeting certain metrics and that Lyft was more reliable in that department. I don't know whether it's a coordinated effort by Lyft to disparage Uber or whether it's just a common thing that happens to Uber drivers, but I've had four drivers tell me that and two did it with almost no prompting.

it's unlikely to be a coordinated lyft effort because drivers can and do drive for both services. it's not in their interests to disparage uber if uber genuinely provides value for them; on the other hand if they left uber due to bad treatment it's probably very satisfying for them to tell their customers that.

Re: Uber Plans Millions in Back Pay After Shortchanging NYC Drivers

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Welcome back! One of the worst parts of open source is when someone who has been happily getting value out of your free product for 4 years opens an issue to complain about how quality has gone downhill, and you need to fix a few things.

I don't think this is fair. The mods want the site to be successful and the parent is pointing out something that should be a cause for concern for them. No one wants HN to turn into the next Slashdot.

Surely the mods are able to figure out what the site needs better than any regular user, by virtue of their continued monitoring?

Re: Uber Plans Millions in Back Pay After Shortchanging NYC Drivers

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I'm breaking a 4 yr HN commenting-hiatus to post this: it's a bit disappointing to see how the quality of HN comments has deteriorated over the years. Virtually all the comments I'm seeing here are sensationalist sentiments/anecdotes, backed with no facts, reverberated in an echo chamber. This is a plead to the HN moderators to continue to iterate on your product to improve the quality of the comments.

>all the comments I'm seeing here are sensationalist sentiments/anecdotes, backed with no facts, reverberated in an echo chamber. You must be new here.

His account appears to have been created more than a decade ago.

Re: Uber Plans Millions in Back Pay After Shortchanging NYC Drivers

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post #135

I'm breaking a 4 yr HN commenting-hiatus to post this: it's a bit disappointing to see how the quality of HN comments has deteriorated over the years. Virtually all the comments I'm seeing here are sensationalist sentiments/anecdotes, backed with no facts, reverberated in an echo chamber. This is a plead to the HN moderators to continue to iterate on your product to improve the quality of the comments.

I think the use of "product" here is a bit of a stretch, and what "moderators" are you pleading to? AFAIK it's only dang, and I'm not sure what we can expect him to do when the criticism levelled at him is "the comments aren't as good as I remember"

Also worth remembering is that when companies as polarising as Uber are in the news, there's gonna be heated discussion with lots of strong opinions and anecdata. No amount of moderation can avoid that

Re: Uber Plans Millions in Back Pay After Shortchanging NYC Drivers

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post #135

I'm breaking a 4 yr HN commenting-hiatus to post this: it's a bit disappointing to see how the quality of HN comments has deteriorated over the years. Virtually all the comments I'm seeing here are sensationalist sentiments/anecdotes, backed with no facts, reverberated in an echo chamber. This is a plead to the HN moderators to continue to iterate on your product to improve the quality of the comments.

I think the use of "product" here is a bit of a stretch, and what "moderators" are you pleading to? AFAIK it's only dang, and I'm not sure what we can expect him to do when the criticism levelled at him is "the comments aren't as good as I remember" Also worth remembering is that when companies as polarising as Uber are in the news, there's gonna be heated discussion with lots of strong opinions and anecdata. No amou…

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