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Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by candiodari »

passive wrote: post #485
Tsagadai wrote: post #483

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RAM really isn't that expensive, even if it is soldered onto the board. I wish more laptop manufacturers would make 16GB available in lower end models and have a true higher end of 64GB or more (instead of just 32GB).

From what I've heard, certain types of memory are only supported by certain CPUs/chipsets up to a certain size, and even though other types of memory are supported, those are a more power-hungry variety that laptop makers tend to avoid. But in spirit, yes, this. The upgrade in RAM should be $80 in hardware, but I have to pay $900 for it because of the configuration options.

It's like paying $100 for effectively a 16G sd card (same chip) in ... every phone on the market effectively.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by Kurtz79 »

iaskwhy wrote: post #422
Kurtz79 wrote: post #300

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It is perfectly clear to me, in the very link you have posted: "This 2-year guarantee is your minimum right. National rules in your country may give you extra protection: however, any deviation from EU rules must always be in the consumer's best interest." (which is the case of UK law).

From your reply I understand you didn't notice the second link, probably due to my bad formatting. Compare your analysis of the first link with what Apple states in the second. I don't understand how they can say it.

I saw the link, but I thought your issue was with the 2/6 year thing.

I still don't see any problem. Apple states that you get 1 year of "Apple" warranty, which allows you to get your product serviced by Apple, at no cost, independently of where you bought it.

Beyond that date UK law will apply, but since it applies to the seller, and not the manufacturer, they say to contact the seller (as I said in another post, a bit cheekily, since they will be also the seller in many cases).

Unless of course you buy Apple Care, that will allow the same level of service as the 1 year warranty...

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by nindalf »

kartickv wrote: post #516
pier25 wrote: post #91

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I bought a Surface Book on Black Friday and returned it a week later due to the number of glitches with the pen and the GPU. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XLVgpD-Dtc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YupJV7QPHfk

At least you could return it. Returns aren't accepted in India, even on Amazon. If you buy it, you're stuck with it.

Returns aren't accepted for Surface devices in particular?

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by hifigi »

abritinthebay wrote: post #500
adambyrtek wrote: post #456

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There are two separate issues that need to be distinguished: 1. Physical keyboard layout (how keys are placed). There are two primary standards: ANSI (mostly US) and ISO (most of Europe). The most notable difference is the shape of the Enter key (L-shaped on an ISO keyboard and straight on an ANSI one). ISO keyboards also have one extra key and a shorter left Shift to make space for it. 2. Logical keyboard layout (ho…

The ISO layout is pretty superior in many small ways for non-english speakers but that's a really nice description of it in that link there. As a UK->US transplant I really miss the Enter key shape. :(

I miss this even as an American. The old 8088 computers I grew up with had reverse-L enter keys.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by kartickv »

nindalf wrote: post #533
kartickv wrote: post #516

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At least you could return it. Returns aren't accepted in India, even on Amazon. If you buy it, you're stuck with it.

Returns aren't accepted for Surface devices in particular?

No, returning a purchase is not a concept that exists in India, whether for electronics or clothes or other things.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by dawnerd »

kayoone wrote: post #247
dawnerd wrote: post #237

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Which makes it comparable to the 12" MacBook which is far from a pro device.

12" Macbook only comes with a Core M CPU and 8GB Ram max, the Surface Pro is much more capable than that, basically on Macbook Pro levels.

Depends on the exact model. The xps has an "i7" but it's pretty much just a core m with a few little extras.

Remember, this is a fanless design so thermal throttling will be insane, just like on the macbook and the xps13.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by Const-me »

neogodless wrote: post #326
chiph wrote: post #260

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It's an i5-6300U at 2.4 GHz. 1 socket, 2 cores, 4 logical processors.

That's the really weird thing about Core i7 mobile processors. They are also 1 socket, 2 cores, 4 logical processors. Just slightly faster base/turbo clocks than the i5. I dislike the naming. I only recently realized my work laptop is a U series, which explains why my 8 year old desktop (AMD quad core) is much faster at compiling the same projects...

My laptop with U-series i3 builds C++ just as fast as my 3 years old quad core desktop i5.

The reason is eDRAM i.e. large L4 cache in the mobile CPU. Some workloads (compiling C++ appears to be one of them) like lower RAM latency even more than extra CPU cores.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by joemi »

bobbles wrote: post #462
joemi wrote: post #459

Can you actually use this "laptop" on your lap? Doesn't the fact that it has a kickstand make it extremely awkward, if not impossible? I have not tried one like that myself, so I honestly don't know, but I'd be very surprised if it worked on one's lap.

I have SP4 - despite many other issues I have with it, the kickstand DOES make it great to use on a lap. In fact I find it much easier to use on my lap than any laptop that I have used. Being able to adjust to any angle means you can use it just as comfortably in an airport chair vs on a lounge etc.

I don't get how the kickstand could actually make it easier to use than a normal laptop. Can't you adjust the angle on any laptop?

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by Roritharr »

FireBeyond wrote: post #308
nicpottier wrote: post #70

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Which dock and what has your experience been with them? Seems there are very few out there..

I have a Dell XPS 15 9560 with the TB16 dock. I had tried a couple (Kensington, etc), and had issues (like, buried waaaaay down in the Kensington fine print was the fact that if you had a 4K display, the USB3 ports would "downshift" to USB2, and the GigE port would go to 100mbps...) The TB16 dock is great though, works seamlessly and smoothly with 4K displays, GigE, supports Power Delivery and remote 'wake' (there's…

Have you tried using the TB 16 with a MacBook Pro?

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by nindalf »

kartickv wrote: post #535
nindalf wrote: post #533

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Returns aren't accepted for Surface devices in particular?

No, returning a purchase is not a concept that exists in India, whether for electronics or clothes or other things.

That's incorrect. I returned a MacBook to Amazon.in a week ago. There was no fault with the piece I received, I just changed my mind about it. I've returned other products to Amazon too, like a phone that was slightly defective and other electronics.

I've spoken to people who sell products online on Amazon.in and other marketplaces. All of them accept returns and write off the losses on those as overhead of doing business.

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