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How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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A far as male pants/trousers go, your choices are basically jeans, corduroys, or khakis (chinos). Corduroys are uncomfortably warm, IME, and of the remaining two jeans are a clear winner for convenience: they don't need to be ironed (chinos look terrible as soon as they get even slightly wrinkled, jeans do not), and they better conceal small spills and stains. Not much more to it than that, for me.

I wash my jeans every 6-12 months, with occasional febreezing after I wear them. This is way more convenient than having to wash and iron my other pants. My other alternative are my Outlier pants https://outlier.nyc/

I'm surprised you're able to go 6-12 months without spilling something on your jeans.

Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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If you have time would you mind expanding on your point about the racial dimensions of workwear? Aren't most urban "hipsters" white, as are most rural working class people?

Streetwear is where the racial dimension comes into play, not as much with workwear. I could elaborate on some of the racial dimensions of the "hipster", though, if you'd like.

Ah yes, I could definitely see it coming more into play with streetwear.

I could elaborate on some of the racial dimensions of the "hipster", though, if you'd like. It's not a topic I know much about, so yes, I'd definitely love to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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I used to wear jeans 100% of the time. Then I had kids and as they grew up they hated jeans, said they were uncomfortable, that their school uniforms (cotton) pants were more comfortable. After having trouble finding good jeans I decided to give pants a try and haven't looked back. They are so much more comfortable than jeans and wear better than the jeans I was getting, plus they look nicer in a professional environment. I just got rid of my last pair of jeans a few months ago and don't plan on buying them again.

Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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Streetwear is where the racial dimension comes into play, not as much with workwear. I could elaborate on some of the racial dimensions of the "hipster", though, if you'd like.

Ah yes, I could definitely see it coming more into play with streetwear. I could elaborate on some of the racial dimensions of the "hipster", though, if you'd like. It's not a topic I know much about, so yes, I'd definitely love to hear your thoughts on the matter.

I don't feel 100% qualified to dive in too deeply with my own words, but this article dives right in: http://nymag.com/news/features/69129/

The crux seems to be:

> [The] hipster—and the reference here is to Norman Mailer’s “The White Negro” essay for Dissent in 1957—was explicitly defined by the desire of a white avant-garde to disaffiliate itself from whiteness, with its stain of Eisenhower, the bomb, and the corporation, and achieve the “cool” knowledge and exoticized energy, lust, and violence of black Americans...

> The hipster, in both black and white incarnations, in his essence had been about superior knowledge—what Broyard called “a priorism.” He insisted that hipsterism was developed from a sense that minorities in America were subject to decisions made about their lives by conspiracies of power they could never possibly know. The hip reaction was to insist, purely symbolically, on forms of knowledge that they possessed before anyone else, indeed before the creation of positive knowledge—a priori. Broyard focused on the password language of hip slang.

> The return of the term after 1999 reframed the knowledge question. Hipster, in its revival, referred to an air of knowing about exclusive things before anyone else...

The rest of the article is sort-of a history of various trends in "hipsterism" over the period from 1999 to 2009. But this is quite a digression from the dominance of jeans...

Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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I don't understand why engineers tend to care so little about the quality of their clothes Virtue signaling. It says you're focused on your intellectual pursuits rather than material things (in contrast to 'the suits'). This is actually great from a hiring manager's point of view, because you can also guess (guess, not know) from someone's appearance whether they are single and to what degree they take care of themse…

> There's also a kind of signaling by people who are rich enough not to care about these things and dress accordingly, which is a way of reminding other people that you have so much money you don't care about what impression you make. This only works when people already know you're wealthy, though. Fussell notes this in his Class . The group he categorizes as "top out-of-sight" (mostly old money) is genuinely beyond…

Yeah I was thinking specifically of outdoorsy aristocrats who prefer the stables to the stately home, and have no need to dress up because everyone knows they own half the land around the village. Europeans will probabl be more familiar with this type.

Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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I don't understand why engineers tend to care so little about the quality of their clothes Virtue signaling. It says you're focused on your intellectual pursuits rather than material things (in contrast to 'the suits'). This is actually great from a hiring manager's point of view, because you can also guess (guess, not know) from someone's appearance whether they are single and to what degree they take care of themse…

Oh please. Virtue signalling is a useful topic, but it gets really tiresome to see people who just discovered the concept run around and excitedly apply it to everything, like a child with a new toy. The downside of higher quality clothing (money) is obvious: it's the upside that needs explaining. Fashion is the prototypical example of signaling, and quality as held separate from fashion has a couple minor advantages…

I got into economics 10 years ago so don't blame me for the current faddishness of the term. You could work a bit harder on your manners, though.

Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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Blue Owl in Seattle is good too. These denim stores are mostly focused on raw denim, which is generally a much higher quality garment than available normally.

The quality difference would have to be substantial. I bring in a very high income for my area, and the thought of spending $300-$400 on a single pair of jeans is pretty out there. An $80 pair of jeans, which will often be on sale for $40-$50 will last me for 2-3 years and are of average quality. It seems to me like one would have to justify these jeans on the fashion/novelty aspect, and not quality/value as it just…

I recommend Hiut Denim:

https://hiutdenim.co.uk/collections/mens

Reasonably priced. Exceptional quality. And you get to support a community of jeans makers in Wales.

Also — free repairs for life. I've sent a couple of pairs back a few times because I wear the hell out of my jeans, and they return with repairs almost more beautiful than the original fabric.

Truly one of those rare companies that does one thing extremely well.

Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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The thing that bothers me about buying jeans in the U.S. is the near-universal product segmentation based on 2-inch intervals for waist and inseam (32", 34", 36", etc.). It's rare to find jeans with a 33-, 35-, or 37-inch waist, or a 31" inseam. Because my measurements don't fit what's available in the stores, I often restock when traveling overseas.

More expensive brands typically have 1-inch intervals, so finding 31- or 33-inch waist isn't a problem.

Re: How jeans conquered the world (2012)

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At $200 you can buy Outlier pants (or Mission Workshop, no experience with those though). At $400 you can buy freaking Arc'teryx Veilance pants. That's way too much for something that is just cotton (and not even etaProof or anything interesting).

Tripling the Outlier comment. They are current the best pants on the planet and I challenge any HN commenter to show me better technical biz casual slacks. I basically only wear Outlier, Duluth Trading Co, and Uniqlo. And nice shoes.

I'm partial to Bluffworks personally. I've sat in an office for 8 hours a day in them, hiked, ran, bouldered, rode motorcycles through the mountains of Vietnam, swam, the gamut. Anything I do in any other specialized pant(jeans, sweatpants, khakis, Carhartt work pants, etc), I've done in them to see how they take it. They've held up beautifully.
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