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Designing and 3D-printing a garage remote motorcycle mount

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Re: Designing and 3D-printing a garage remote motorcycle mount

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The 'Fusion' source? I assume you mean share the 3d model file... and you used Fusion 360 software to create it. Just curious: can you share your experience modeling this? Why Fusion 360? Because it's free? Do you have experience with Solidworks or Blender or other software? If yes, how would you compare 3d modeling in Fusion vs. other modeling software?

Fusion is likely to displace Solidworks and Autodesk's own inventor in the market within the next few years. It's easy, powerful, and most importantly update regularly and with features people want. Onshape is pretty awful, so no threat there. Source: Spent about a hundred million hours in this sort of software ;;' _ '

What do you find awful about OnShape? It's not as nice as Fusion, but it's passable, and it runs on Linux, which is my number one annoyance with Fusion. Requiring me to reboot to design stuff is pretty much a guarantee that not many things will ever get designed :/

Re: Designing and 3D-printing a garage remote motorcycle mount

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Huh, I've never heard to keep weight off the keyring. I imagine this is to avoid unnecessary force on the ignition assembly? Obviously you wouldn't want to put several lbs on there, but it seems like small items would be fine. Regardless, cool project. I'm planning to do something similar, as soon as I can get an indoor space. I might go even more hidden, and hide it under the lip of the gas tank or etc.

Things flap around a ton at speed on a bike - I've got a little toy on my keyring and at anything past freeway speeds it moves around a _ton_.

Re: Designing and 3D-printing a garage remote motorcycle mount

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One other solution is that whoever it was in hollywood that first declared fanny packs to be 'uncool' needs to be 'drawn and quartered'. My little tiny remote is easy to access while i'm on my bike thanks to this amazing technology called a fanny pack.

I don't know how easy it would be, even with a fanny pack. There's going to be other stuff in there too, and even hitting the button when I'm holding the remote in my hand is hard with a glove, as the buttons are almost recessed. This design has the button protruding, making it much, much easier to press.

Re: Designing and 3D-printing a garage remote motorcycle mount

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> This is because if, when finally screwing the parts together, the screw has to thread its way through, then the gaps between the parts won’t tighten when you tighten the screw, because there’s no travel between them.

That's why wood screws are only threaded partway up their length. Since these screws are self-tapping, they need to account for the problem you correctly identify here, where the screw can't clamp the parts together properly because they cannot move relative to one another as the screw is tightened into place. Ending the thread partway up the screw solves this by permitting the part nearer the screw head to move freely along the shaft, so the fastener can clamp them together properly as it's tightened.

The machine screws you're using, conversely, are threaded all the way up to the head because they are not designed for self-tapping, but rather to be used in holes which have had threads tapped into them. That's why they are giving you the trouble they are. Happily, there are a few different ways to make that trouble go away!

Making the entire screw path wide enough that the screw doesn't have to tap any threads, and securing it with a nut, is one option, and as you've seen, it can work. On the other hand, you lose something in clamping force, because there's less bearing surface, and you also have to choose between machining (or designing) a nut pocket into the part, or having the nut and the end of the bolt stick out past the profile of the case.

Another option, which replicates the benefit provided by the design of self-tapping screws, is to make the screw hole wider, but only in the part nearer the head, and leave the far part's hole narrow enough that the screw will tap threads into it on the first insertion. This way, you have the part near the head free to tighten, which solves the problem you saw with your first designs, and you get the maximum clamping force possible from the screw without having to tap threads for a machine screw - and, with a carefully chosen (or trimmed) length of screw, you can also have the path end in a blind hole in the far part, so that the only part of the screw visible in the finished item is its head. (If you care, of course.)

And a third option, naturally, would be to actually tap threads into your screw holes - but you need a tap set for that, and I'm not sure there's much point. You need taps to cut threads into metal, because metal is pretty hard, and you need something very hard to cut it cleanly so that your screws, which are only pretty hard themselves, aren't ruined when you try to use them. Plastic, on the other hand, is very soft, so you're not actually hurting anything by letting your screws self-tap. You just need to adjust your design to account for it.

Hope this helps!

Re: Designing and 3D-printing a garage remote motorcycle mount

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> This is because if, when finally screwing the parts together, the screw has to thread its way through, then the gaps between the parts won’t tighten when you tighten the screw, because there’s no travel between them. That's why wood screws are only threaded partway up their length. Since these screws are self-tapping, they need to account for the problem you correctly identify here, where the screw can't clamp the…

Ah, damnit, yes, this was the second thing I wanted to mention in the post (having the last part be tighter so the screw threads its way through) but forgot to write it up in the end.

Thanks for the reminder, that's exactly how these designs should work, you're spot on.

Re: Designing and 3D-printing a garage remote motorcycle mount

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> This is because if, when finally screwing the parts together, the screw has to thread its way through, then the gaps between the parts won’t tighten when you tighten the screw, because there’s no travel between them. That's why wood screws are only threaded partway up their length. Since these screws are self-tapping, they need to account for the problem you correctly identify here, where the screw can't clamp the…

Ah, damnit, yes, this was the second thing I wanted to mention in the post (having the last part be tighter so the screw threads its way through) but forgot to write it up in the end. Thanks for the reminder, that's exactly how these designs should work, you're spot on.

Oh, any time. In any case, I'm sure there's someone here who won't have run across it yet, and for whom it'll come in handy.

On a related note - is it just me, or does the nigh monomaniacal focus lately on high-capital-investment tools like 3D printers and laser cutters seem like it might come at the cost of a lot that's of value? Like, for example, any interest at all in how to encourage and support kids coming up in places and families where a 3D printer, or a laser cutter, is about as likely of attainment as a nice little house on the far side of the moon? I don't know, I kind of feel that way, but maybe I'm the only one.

Re: Designing and 3D-printing a garage remote motorcycle mount

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, damnit, yes, this was the second thing I wanted to mention in the post (having the last part be tighter so the screw threads its way through) but forgot to write it up in the end. Thanks for the reminder, that's exactly how these designs should work, you're spot on.

Oh, any time. In any case, I'm sure there's someone here who won't have run across it yet, and for whom it'll come in handy. On a related note - is it just me, or does the nigh monomaniacal focus lately on high-capital-investment tools like 3D printers and laser cutters seem like it might come at the cost of a lot that's of value? Like, for example, any interest at all in how to encourage and support kids coming up i…

Well, I got my printer for $250 new, and the print quality is fantastic, on par with some I've seen that cost $1000+. I'm not sure if you consider that high-capital, but I've definitely seen single tools (e.g. saws, and, hell, phones) cost more than that.

I definitely don't think this is moon-house territory, the technology is very accessible, price-wise, especially if you consider that these tools are easily cheap enough for libraries and other communal spaces to buy and make available to the public.

Re: Designing and 3D-printing a garage remote motorcycle mount

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Nice. I had a similar problem when I rode my bicycle to work daily. I really didn't want to have to carry anything more than my phone. I ended up hacking a bluetooth earpiece into a remote after seeing the idea online. It was 100% reliable over a period of over 2 years. Having it mounted in the open like that seems like it could have a few drawbacks. I would still be concerned about water damage, even if you don't pl…

There's definitely going to be water damage on the plastic, PLA isn't very water-friendly. I'll buy some PETG to print it later on, it should be much more weather-resistant and durable. The nuts and bolts need to be rust-resistant too, yes, although I can always just change those after a while. The good thing about having a 3D printer is that a replacement part is just 20 minutes away.

PLA definitely will absorb water, which decreases its strength, but the effects may not be that noticeable, at least for a while. I have load bearing PLA parts that have now been outside in the yard for 2 and 3 years, and they are showing no signs of degradation.

Anyway, it would be an interesting experiment for you to stick with the PLA print until you see a problem before you reprint with PETG. My bet is it will last longer than expected.

Re: Designing and 3D-printing a garage remote motorcycle mount

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One other solution is that whoever it was in hollywood that first declared fanny packs to be 'uncool' needs to be 'drawn and quartered'. My little tiny remote is easy to access while i'm on my bike thanks to this amazing technology called a fanny pack.

I don't know how easy it would be, even with a fanny pack. There's going to be other stuff in there too, and even hitting the button when I'm holding the remote in my hand is hard with a glove, as the buttons are almost recessed. This design has the button protruding, making it much, much easier to press.

I would be afraid to have my garage able to be gotten into by anyone who happens to know where I live and has a screwdriver. But from a technical standpoint, I'm impressed with what you did, and as a mechanical engineer would love to have a 3D printer of my own! Nice work!
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