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1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by kakarot »

rosser wrote: post #73
gruez wrote: post #31

Counter: the border agent asks "are you hiding any information from us?". answer yes, and they get you to disable travel mode. answer no, and you just committed a felony.

As a general comment to so many of the follow-ups to this post: You really, really don't want to get into a rules-lawyering match with Federal fucking prosecutors over whether "clever technological solution" counts as "hiding" something or not. They have all of the guns in this situation, and you have a demonstrably inaccurate understanding of the relevant statute. You WILL lose.

This is especially true if you allow them to frame the action as "hiding". L

First you must ask them to not use loaded terminology like "hiding" when dealing with information you own and don't feel like accessing. Don't answer "yes" or "no" to whether you're hiding something. If you use their words then they have a huge advantage.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by Youareweakhn »

rosser wrote: post #27
netgusto wrote: post #18

Wouldn't an alternative "destroy everything" password be a good idea also ? Would work like this : When forced to enter / give the password to your vault, you enter/give this one, and everything the vault contains is wiped out before the vault is unlocked.

Do you want to go to prison?

Better than being a bitch

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by mLuby »

caseysoftware wrote: post #141
stickfigure wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The right solution to this problem is saner laws Considering the history of the civil rights movement in the US, we're not going to get saner laws without a little civil disobedience. It sucks to bear the brunt of this harassment, but saying "yes" only enables the system to harass everyone more efficiently.

I opted out for years and made fun of TSA agents during the pat down. It turns out you're not allowed to requests pat downs from specific agents. Who knew? ;) But now I don't even opt out. Instead I tell them that I can't raise my arms above my head. They direct me around the scanner (sometimes the metal detector too), swab my hands, and call it done. I often skip 10-15 people in the process. If they ask why, I tell…

Does that count as lying to federal government agents? (Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001)

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by AlexandrB »

rosser wrote: post #135
late2part wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand your logic. Facts matter. Either you have the data on your laptop or you don't. If it's been removed, you don't. Yes, they can ask you if you've deleted things, or if you have things elsewhere, but that's not generally what they ask or look for, or the issue at hand.

The data is still on the device. Only the password "vaults" have been wiped, obscuring the presence of the data and removing its access. Look, you can twist the words however you want. At the end of the day, if a CBP agent or Federal prosecutor clues to the fact that you're using this functionality, their interpretation is almost certainly going to be "'late2part is hiding something !", and they will bring their (con…

The vaults are the data. I'm not sure what data besides the vaults you're referring to that's still on the device. The fact that the data is still on a server somewhere is irrelevant for searching the device. However if they ask to login to your 1Password account that's a different matter.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by ben_jones »

jzl wrote: post #47

This is a nice feature, but ultimately if you are concerned with border agents requiring a phone search then you should just backup and install a fresh OS before traveling, then restore when you get back. Log into the minimal number of apps after you've entered the destination country, and optionally delete/logout of said apps prior to return travel if the return border crossing is also a concern. Admittedly if you u…

Can't they order you to sign into iCloud or equivalent and then just sync whatever they want, photos, texts, emails, apps (and then order you to sign into those apps like Facebook, Whatsapp, Gmail)? Bottom line is they can get you AND everything you have access to. And it you try to circumvent it by i.e. temporarily encrypting everything for 24hr boom you just committed a felony. This is my understanding at least.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by sqeaky »

jjawssd wrote: post #147
Sir_Substance wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. The correct solution is to stop traveling to the US. Stop sending your employees to the US as well. If the rest of the world starts insisting that US companies always come to them because of how US border agents act, that shit will bubble up to the lobbyists real fast.

It's just that easy.

If hurts people with money, something will change.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by Fiahil »

jjawssd wrote: post #147
Sir_Substance wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. The correct solution is to stop traveling to the US. Stop sending your employees to the US as well. If the rest of the world starts insisting that US companies always come to them because of how US border agents act, that shit will bubble up to the lobbyists real fast.

It's just that easy.

Come and see us in Europe, it's nice here !

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by rpedroso »

ben_jones wrote: post #166
jzl wrote: post #47

This is a nice feature, but ultimately if you are concerned with border agents requiring a phone search then you should just backup and install a fresh OS before traveling, then restore when you get back. Log into the minimal number of apps after you've entered the destination country, and optionally delete/logout of said apps prior to return travel if the return border crossing is also a concern. Admittedly if you u…

Can't they order you to sign into iCloud or equivalent and then just sync whatever they want, photos, texts, emails, apps (and then order you to sign into those apps like Facebook, Whatsapp, Gmail)? Bottom line is they can get you AND everything you have access to. And it you try to circumvent it by i.e. temporarily encrypting everything for 24hr boom you just committed a felony. This is my understanding at least.

IANAL and I don't have an answer to this, but I would be deeply alarmed if this were the case. I can understand them making the case that anything on your personal is searchable (though I disagree that this should be allowed).

By asking you to sign in and sync, they're not just requesting access to information on your person -- that's an enormous expansion of their search powers.

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