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Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by caseysoftware »

stickfigure wrote: post #134
vijayr wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies need to make clear to their employees (and the public) that sharing passwords is a terminable policy violation So which is a better option? Losing a job (or) refused entry/detention/harassment after 24+ hours on the plane/getting treated like a criminal....? (not that criminals need to be treated badly) The right solution to this problem is saner laws and educating the public about privacy and related topic…

The right solution to this problem is saner laws Considering the history of the civil rights movement in the US, we're not going to get saner laws without a little civil disobedience. It sucks to bear the brunt of this harassment, but saying "yes" only enables the system to harass everyone more efficiently.

I opted out for years and made fun of TSA agents during the pat down. It turns out you're not allowed to requests pat downs from specific agents. Who knew? ;)

But now I don't even opt out.

Instead I tell them that I can't raise my arms above my head. They direct me around the scanner (sometimes the metal detector too), swab my hands, and call it done. I often skip 10-15 people in the process. If they ask why, I tell them I have a medical condition and they're not allowed to ask further so I don't explain.

Hopefully the bad guys never figure it out!

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by fernandotakai »

rosser wrote: post #83
an_account wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can the border patrol ask you to sign into any online service? Because that's essentially what this is. The data isn't on the computer they are searching, it's on a server thousands of miles away. The data was erased from the device. If they can force you to sign into that service, they could also force you to sign into your bank, github, etc.

> Can the border patrol ask you to sign into any online service? If you're a non-citizen attempting to enter the US under a visa waiver program, from certain countries, yes, they can.

a border officer searched for me on fucking facebook when i was going into the us in march. she said "i just want to know who you are and why you are coming".

i don't have a facebook account. she said this was really suspicious.

oh and she also found suspicious that i had two us entry stamps within a week of each other and didn't accept my explanation that i had gone through the us to go to england with my wife (even after i pointed to the GB entry stamp).

i hate going through the us border control.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by Sir_Substance »

rosser wrote: post #116
stickfigure wrote: post #114

The right solution to this problem is, when traveling, always answer "no" to "may I search your laptop?" It sucks, and it many mean a lot of hassle ranging from confiscated equipment to being held at the border to being refused entry, but this is just one of the new risks of travel. Border security only gets away with this because people say yes. Companies need to make clear to their employees (and the public) that s…

Do you honestly think customs agents care whether you'll get fired or not? US immigrations will permanently sever families that have been together for years or even decades with utter disregard for the emotional trauma they're inflicting. Your job matters exactly fuck-all to a CPB agent.

Yup. The correct solution is to stop traveling to the US. Stop sending your employees to the US as well. If the rest of the world starts insisting that US companies always come to them because of how US border agents act, that shit will bubble up to the lobbyists real fast.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by MatthewWilkes »

javajosh wrote: post #84
MatthewWilkes wrote: post #35

This feature really should ask you to commit to your duration of travel beforehand. It's no use if you can be compelled to readd the data.

That doesn't solve the problem, because you could be detained until the data is accessible again.

I admit, my threat model doesn't include indefinite detention at a border, but that is a valid concern depending in where you are going. Unfortunately, it's common not to believe people that say they don't know their password, otherwise the solution would be to just change your password and leave it at home without learning it.

For me, the time lockout changes the claim you can make to an official from "I don't know the passwords, I have a record that I didn't bring with me, but can retrieve online" to "I don't know the passwords and have no ability to retrieve them while here". For me, that distinction is valuable and the benefits outweigh the risks. But everyone has different requirements and risk sensitivity.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by cryoshon »

caseysoftware wrote: post #141
stickfigure wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The right solution to this problem is saner laws Considering the history of the civil rights movement in the US, we're not going to get saner laws without a little civil disobedience. It sucks to bear the brunt of this harassment, but saying "yes" only enables the system to harass everyone more efficiently.

I opted out for years and made fun of TSA agents during the pat down. It turns out you're not allowed to requests pat downs from specific agents. Who knew? ;) But now I don't even opt out. Instead I tell them that I can't raise my arms above my head. They direct me around the scanner (sometimes the metal detector too), swab my hands, and call it done. I often skip 10-15 people in the process. If they ask why, I tell…

wow this is a great idea especially considering i have real shoulder issues. thanks for the tip!

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by jjawssd »

Sir_Substance wrote: post #143
rosser wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you honestly think customs agents care whether you'll get fired or not? US immigrations will permanently sever families that have been together for years or even decades with utter disregard for the emotional trauma they're inflicting. Your job matters exactly fuck-all to a CPB agent.

Yup. The correct solution is to stop traveling to the US. Stop sending your employees to the US as well. If the rest of the world starts insisting that US companies always come to them because of how US border agents act, that shit will bubble up to the lobbyists real fast.

It's just that easy.

Re: 1Password Travel Mode: Protect your data when crossing borders

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Post by kasey_junk »

Sir_Substance wrote: post #143
rosser wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you honestly think customs agents care whether you'll get fired or not? US immigrations will permanently sever families that have been together for years or even decades with utter disregard for the emotional trauma they're inflicting. Your job matters exactly fuck-all to a CPB agent.

Yup. The correct solution is to stop traveling to the US. Stop sending your employees to the US as well. If the rest of the world starts insisting that US companies always come to them because of how US border agents act, that shit will bubble up to the lobbyists real fast.

And to the UK: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/14/campaign-gr...
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