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Re: Baby boomers are making it harder for millennials to buy homes

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But the fact remains that the income advantage only remains an advantage so long as the costs remain low. The expense side of the equation can only rise so high before income becomes zero, or even a negative value. NYC and SV are able to thrive because housing is still cheap, but the market is quickly correcting that fact. At some point, if the trend continues indefinitely, one's income in these cities will leave the…

Trouble is you need a critical mass of social, technical, and cultural infrastructure. It's not like it doesn't happen. But unless a company with deep pockets is behind it, whatever one tries to plant there will die. Point is there are a lot of frictions. And big inequality is a big one.

That is really a non-issue. We don't have to invent new places. Low-cost communities already exist and are abundantly found. Incomes just tend to be lower, thus they are less appealing. But that can quickly change. Imagine,

1. Community A provides revenues of $30,000 per year, and expenses of $20,000 per year, with an income of $10,000 per year.

2. Community B provides revenues of $100,000 per year, and expenses of $50,000 per year, with an income of $50,000 per year.

Naturally Community B is going to be the more appealing option. But if housing costs (among others, but housing is the topic at hand) keep increasing in Community B, at some point you might find your expenses at $90,000 per year, leaving an income of $10,000 per year. Exactly the same as in Community A. At this point there is no income advantage in either location.

Assuming you live in Community B, until your income is reduced to that of Community A it is worthwhile for you to spend more and more of your revenues on housing to keep a good thing going. Even if your expenses rise to $80,000/year in order to stay in Community B, it is still a good deal. Your income is still double that of Community A.

But the market always seeks equilibrium. While corrections take time, eventually your Community B income will have to fall to the same level as Community A to eliminate the income advantage. As we discussed earlier, as long as one place has an advantage, people will move there and compete for resources (i.e. drive up costs) in the process until the advantage no longer exists.

And this is why certain markets are seeing incredible housing price growth. The market is correcting such that your your six figure developer salary in San Francisco provides the same income as working at McDonalds in Detroit.

Re: Baby boomers are making it harder for millennials to buy homes

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That assumes an underdamped system (and I'd be really interested to know if that feedback is generally considered underdamped). In the end, can't we agree that things would stabilize or nearly stabilize in the appropriate equilibrium? On another note, I (as a visitor) always figured the most visible effect of the dearth of affordable housing was the ridiculously early time the city shuts down. Madrid is the city I've…

I'm not sure I see the correlation. US cities in general start rolling up the sidewalks earlier than is often the case in Europe. Dinner times in particular tend to be earlier. 7pm is a fairly typical peak sitting time. As a counter-example, Manhattan is an atypically late night city for the US [that also has very high housing prices]. You could argue that it also has 24 hour mass transit to cheaper areas. But, in ge…

Agreed that Europe is a bad basis for comparison; it's only what I had, not what I would prefer to use.

I can't substantiate this, but it seems that there is a small number of US cities where it is difficult to have cars, and easy enough to use transit, that driving is prohibitive for people in these low-paying jobs. I say this having grown up in a rural area where having many cars around a home was a reliable sign of poverty, not wealth. In most US cities the amount of cheap or free parking is staggering.

Re: Baby boomers are making it harder for millennials to buy homes

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In eastern europe, we have Paneláky " rel="nofollow">https://www.google.cz/search?q=sidli%C5%A1t%C4%9B&source=lnm... and the housing prices are low in the panel houses and much higher everywhere else (though no-where nere US levels). You can even buy an apartment in a panel house an hour and a halfs drive outside of prague for $5000USD https://www.sreality.cz/hledani/prodej/byty/ustecky-kraj,lib...

In Europe and the US a lot of these were built too. A lot of them are now being torn down. I'm not an authority on why, but I believe they tended to be crime and drug hot spots. I have also read of various health problems being associated with them (both physical + mental).

Buildings like that in the US tend to be housing projects, where people are less likely to have a sense of ownership. Not exactly apples to apples.

Re: Baby boomers are making it harder for millennials to buy homes

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I'm going to sound like a broken record here but there are policy and other decisions being made in the Bay Area that are restricting the housing supply and driving up the price of existing housing. You don't have to be a bystander in this process, you can help lobby for more supply. A list of propositions and legislation to support (SF, Brisbane, Mountain View, the CA state legislature) can be found here: https://ne…

The question I have has several parts, but fundamentally I wonder if the housing supply could even be increased enough to materially affect housing prices. Not saying that the housing supply isn't excessively restricted, but how much can restrictions be decreased and how much difference would it make? An analogy is building freeways to relieve traffic congestion. What regularly happens is that additional roads or add…

Supply is the only way to get out of the problem facing US cities today, and it's entirely a regulatory problem:

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/08/lai...

http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2017/05/the-nimby-challen...

Re: Baby boomers are making it harder for millennials to buy homes

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In Europe and the US a lot of these were built too. A lot of them are now being torn down. I'm not an authority on why, but I believe they tended to be crime and drug hot spots. I have also read of various health problems being associated with them (both physical + mental).

Buildings like that in the US tend to be housing projects, where people are less likely to have a sense of ownership. Not exactly apples to apples.

There was also a technical issue, caused by the fact that in the US, many of the buildings had windows which could not be opened. People didn't like that.
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