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Re: Helping a Million Developers Exit Vim

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Post by d0mine » Tue, May 23, 2017, 5:42 PM UTC

doktrin wrote: post #3

Obviously my personal bias, but it's emacs I can never remember how to exit from.

The command is: M-x kill-emacs (or to save buffers before the exit: M-x save-buffers-kill-emacs).

Perhaps, exit-emacs or quit-emacs aliases could be defined.

Re: Helping a Million Developers Exit Vim

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Post by vopi » Tue, May 23, 2017, 5:42 PM UTC

gogopuppygogo wrote: post #8

I'm somewhat amazed but mostly amused that the Vim developers care so little about user experience that they continue to ignore that people have trouble with exiting their tool and refuse to adapt to a more expected convention for exiting it.

It literally everytime you boot the first screen tells you how to quit and get help. So..read the screen that comes up Everytime? If you try Ctrl c it tells you it's :q.

Re: Helping a Million Developers Exit Vim

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Post by bdamm » Tue, May 23, 2017, 5:43 PM UTC

gogopuppygogo wrote: post #8

I'm somewhat amazed but mostly amused that the Vim developers care so little about user experience that they continue to ignore that people have trouble with exiting their tool and refuse to adapt to a more expected convention for exiting it.

The GUI version can be exited from in the same way as any other GUI application. If run from the command line, there is no standard way to exit (nano? emacs? joe?)

Re: Helping a Million Developers Exit Vim

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Post by mehrzad » Tue, May 23, 2017, 5:44 PM UTC

ben_jones wrote: post #6

Isn't that exclusively used by middle aged computer scientists?

There has been a resurgence of use since the popularity of Spacemacs, and I know several of my peers around my age (20) who use Emacs, including myself.

Re: Helping a Million Developers Exit Vim

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Post by gtsteve » Tue, May 23, 2017, 5:44 PM UTC

ZenoArrow wrote: post #10

I barely use any Vim, but I'm more confused about there being some hidden complexity in exiting Vim that I'm not aware of. Isn't it just... [Esc] :wq ...or... [Esc] :q! ...depending if you want to save the current document or not?

Imagine you don't know that. Now try to exit vim.

Re: Helping a Million Developers Exit Vim

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Post by NTDF9 » Tue, May 23, 2017, 5:44 PM UTC

groby_b wrote: post #5

doktrin wrote: post #3

Obviously my personal bias, but it's emacs I can never remember how to exit from.

C-M-footpedal1-q

You got it wrong! It's more like:

C-M-handstand-q-footpedal

Re: Helping a Million Developers Exit Vim

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Post by Etheryte » Tue, May 23, 2017, 5:45 PM UTC

ZenoArrow wrote: post #10

I barely use any Vim, but I'm more confused about there being some hidden complexity in exiting Vim that I'm not aware of. Isn't it just... [Esc] :wq ...or... [Esc] :q! ...depending if you want to save the current document or not?

You can also -ZZ to save the file and exit. Very convenient to remember if you use Vim a lot.

Re: Helping a Million Developers Exit Vim

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Post by tcoff91 » Tue, May 23, 2017, 5:45 PM UTC

ZenoArrow wrote: post #10

I barely use any Vim, but I'm more confused about there being some hidden complexity in exiting Vim that I'm not aware of. Isn't it just... [Esc] :wq ...or... [Esc] :q! ...depending if you want to save the current document or not?

No, it really is that easy.

If you try to -c, the program even tells you to use :q

It's just become a meme at this point.

Re: Helping a Million Developers Exit Vim

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Post by djtriptych » Tue, May 23, 2017, 5:45 PM UTC

ZenoArrow wrote: post #10

I barely use any Vim, but I'm more confused about there being some hidden complexity in exiting Vim that I'm not aware of. Isn't it just... [Esc] :wq ...or... [Esc] :q! ...depending if you want to save the current document or not?

or :q or ZZ or qa(!) or wqa(!)

I love vim and I've used all of those at some point. I'd never pretend there's no learning curve, just that the learning curve is worth it.

Re: Helping a Million Developers Exit Vim

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Post by chocolatemario » Tue, May 23, 2017, 5:46 PM UTC

ZenoArrow wrote: post #10

I barely use any Vim, but I'm more confused about there being some hidden complexity in exiting Vim that I'm not aware of. Isn't it just... [Esc] :wq ...or... [Esc] :q! ...depending if you want to save the current document or not?

Never forget ZZ. Or, my preferred method, suspend the process for later use.