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Re: New Surface Pro

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Are you saying that 16 GB isn't enough?

I would considering it's a "pro" device. 16 should be minimum.

The space of people needing >16gb are typically looking at more fully-fledged workstations, is maybe the idea here? Not that an upgrade option wouldn't be good, it just seems a bit at odds with the surface's goals

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Learn-Not-To-Waste-Resources Studios.

I think people are missing a point here. The game itself runs perfectly fine on a 7 year old CPU and 8GB of ram(it might run on 4GB but I haven't tested this personally). - I'd say the actual game client is optimized extremely well. Is it really shocking that dev machines have a lot of ram? If someone works in full frame photography or edits 4K video, do you tell them to try working on machines with 4GB of ram to see…

> You're not going to fly a desktop over the Atlantic just for a games conference.

Why not fly just an encrypted SSD with the game and buy desktop at the location?

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What about this are you describing as copying Apple's strategy?

MS built out an entire hardware line that mimics Apple's hardware line and then put up counter points to Mac alongside each competing Apple product. It is obvious and Microsoft's collective ego shows. It is a very late response to Apple's old campaign, they have moved on completely.

Mimics? At last check, none of Apple's laptops had full touch screens or supported a stylus. If you're talking about design or style, you might be able to argue that.

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On the same boat, waiting for the sweet spot laptop, of a good enough processor, but still 16GB ram and enough hdd space. Whoever provides the better laptop will get me as their customer, whether Apple or Microsoft. Anyone else has to fight for it hard enough, I am considering Dell for Ubuntu though.

I've been told to check out Asus

My current laptop is an ASUS ROG but I'm waiting to see who else is competing, I kinda want hardware that'd be most likely to have better Linux support.

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But, depending on your workload, fast enough may well be... laptop i5/i7 are pretty fast, again depending on workload... if I'm trying to simulate a tech stack, with modest data loaded, I'm the only user, so it's plenty fast, but memory can become constrained pretty quickly... Windows overhead, Visual Studio, Linux VMs, multiple docker containers, local dynamodb, sql database, queues, etc. If you're developing locall…

But that is probably not the usecase most people who will buy a Surface Pro for. It's a very portable device and 32GB would consume more power and probably be only bought by a very small amount of users.

I think that the users who DO have that usecase (like the OP) are clamoring for a machine that is more portable. The same debate raged when the MBP was released; people want a powerful, sleek and portable workhorse that they can use for longer than 2 hours, and no one is delivering right now.

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I got excited, then I saw prices. Then I saw the keyboard isn't even included and costs $160. Ouch. This will be $1800+ after tax, why not just get a really solid laptop at that point? Hell you could buy two solid desktops

> why not just get a really solid laptop at that point

Their goal is to be a more versatile version of exactly that, though? The surface isn't meant to be a tablet alternative, it's more of a laptop alternative that's also sort of a tablet.

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So buy a f*cking laptop! I'm only half-kidding - but criticizing an integral part of a product, when there are multiple alternatives with exact the feature your desire is ... silly.

Well...the product GP is criticizing does bill itself, right up top, as "The most versatile laptop."

It can be the most versatile laptop without catering to all use cases.

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That's the truth. But our society will only move as fast as we say to. All of this, economy, technological advance, social issues all exist in our mind. Surely a giant such as Microsoft could be dedicated to being at the forefront of a wave of events

These things are ultimately tools, means to an end. I'm glad MS is thinking of their users rather than adopting new for the sake of new.

Yeah, but I prefer to program with a modern laptop than punching cards, even though so many users still know how to use the cards.

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Yes I'm saying it's not enough. It's the same RAM that was available 4 years ago on Macbook Pro (and still not available any higher on MBP either). It's common to run several types of server in production, these all need to be run on localhost for development purposes. Also virtual environments so server architecture can easily be scripted. 16GB works for me, but is far from ideal. I was hoping MS would one-up Apple…

Counter-example: I worked in ML research at one of the largest companies in the field (in the billions of predictions per day) and 16GB was more than enough to do anything I would ever do on a laptop/tablet/etc.. Furthermore, I found that solutions which couldn't be successfully worked on with Basically, when the difference between a dev sample and a prod sample is 3+ orders of magnitude, your ability to scale the pr…

I'm not crunching big data in development or doing much with graphics (other than occasional faffing on some image editor). What I'm running is a lot of local servers. Each server has overhead even if you are only storing one byte of data.

ie I'm running Rails, MySQL, Elastic, Redis, Nginx, Memcached, and in some cases, multiple instances (dev, test, and multiple shards)

And then the usual OS requirements - Vim, 250 browser tabs, Slack, Hangouts, etc.

I'm sure there are all manner of optimisations and assumptions that could cut things down, but I'd rather the big manufacturers upgrade their RAM capacity every few years so I can focus on a dev environment that's a good approximation for prod.

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These things are ultimately tools, means to an end. I'm glad MS is thinking of their users rather than adopting new for the sake of new.

Yeah, but I prefer to program with a modern laptop than punching cards, even though so many users still know how to use the cards.

Um what? Very few people know how to use the cards. Most people have much more experience with keyboards and prefer to use them.
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