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Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by pier25 »

nailer wrote: post #41

One import thing with all Surface laptops that most people don't know: > Support is limited to the country you purchased the device in. Eg: - If you buy an Apple laptop, and need a repair, they'll fix it if it's in warranty, regardless of where you are. - If you buy a Microsoft laptop, and need a warranty repair done in a different country, Microsoft won't help you. I purchased a Surface Book (which I love) in a Micr…

I bought a Surface Book on Black Friday and returned it a week later due to the number of glitches with the pen and the GPU.

For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XLVgpD-Dtc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YupJV7QPHfk

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by StreakyCobra »

jclardy wrote: post #66
primis wrote: post #55

Honestly, $100 for the pen? That should honestly be included since the keyboard isn't.

Wow, that means they really jacked up the price this year. My SP4 was pen included. $1060 for the m3 model with a pen and type cover.

I got mine for the equivalent of 1028 USD: SP4 i5, 256G, 8GO pen and type cover (this was a special offer though). This was one month ago. So when the new model will go out, the prices of SP4 will probably drop.

So far the only drawback of the SP4 is the battery life, so except if they improved it a lot I don't see the point of paying the 500-600$ more. They say it's possible to watch 13.5 hours of videos, but manufacturers tests are not trustable anyway. It would probably be more like 7-8 hours of real-world usage. Are the extra 3 hours worth the difference? Maybe, but for my usage no.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by coldtea »

maxxxxx wrote: post #86
nilved wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your game needs some serious work. Maybe if your developers had 4 GB RAM on their computers the constraint would benefit them.

I am not sure if you are trying to be funny or if you are an arrogant prick.

Regardless of parent's aim, that's actually a very good advice for any developer.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by jamespo »

mgkimsal wrote: post #26
georgeecollins wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK its pro, but it is also mobile. Who has a mobile device (not something that just sits at your desk all day) with 32 GB of ram?

Lenovo has laptops with 32g. HP does too. ASUS... gosh... lots of companies offer it... What's the point of the question? Lots of end users want a laptop with 32g.

Yes, there are workstation class laptops available for exactly that purpose. This isn't one of them.

Re: New Surface Pro

#96

Post by Nullabillity »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #62
8draco8 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It vastly depends on your work flow. If you are like me and just using editor, browser, small LEMP stack, git, gulp, ssh and some other small tools then you are fine and 16GB is plenty but when you start doing virtualisation, docker instances, data crunching, in memory dbs etc. then suddenly 16GB doesn't look like much.

If I were doing all of the latter, I think I would just ssh into a real server. But, I get it is to each his own.

Have fun every time your unreliable coffee shop wifi breaks down. It quickly gets far more convenient to just connect the power cord and do everything locally.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by odonnellryan »

mmahemoff wrote: post #72
nilved wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that 16 GB isn't enough?

Yes I'm saying it's not enough. It's the same RAM that was available 4 years ago on Macbook Pro (and still not available any higher on MBP either). It's common to run several types of server in production, these all need to be run on localhost for development purposes. Also virtual environments so server architecture can easily be scripted. 16GB works for me, but is far from ideal. I was hoping MS would one-up Apple…

I agree. I don't do anything crazy, but I consider 16gb the "starting point."

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by tracker1 »

nailer wrote: post #41

One import thing with all Surface laptops that most people don't know: > Support is limited to the country you purchased the device in. Eg: - If you buy an Apple laptop, and need a repair, they'll fix it if it's in warranty, regardless of where you are. - If you buy a Microsoft laptop, and need a warranty repair done in a different country, Microsoft won't help you. I purchased a Surface Book (which I love) in a Micr…

I've heard similar stories wrt apple care coverage...

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by snuxoll »

8draco8 wrote: post #35
Longhanks wrote: post #4

> The most versatile laptop. ...that doesn't ship with a keyboard (pen isn't included either). No USB-C. 16GB RAM maximum.

Plus that kickstand always looked so inconvenient to me. On normal laptop I can adjust screen angle however I want. The kickstand also require a bigger surface to put it down properly. On normal laptop I am fine as long as the bottom half can fit on the table (or any flat surface), here there is need for much more space, seems very inconvenient especially when working in tight spaces like server room, car, or small c…

My wife inherited my 1st generation Surface Pro after her beater HP laptop died two years ago, out of all the things I expected her to complain about the kickstand was never an issue (the touch cover pissed her off to no end though, so I bought a type cover instead).

I can see some people not digging the kickstand, but I'd say give it a try before dismissing it.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by pizza234 »

8draco8 wrote: post #35
Longhanks wrote: post #4

> The most versatile laptop. ...that doesn't ship with a keyboard (pen isn't included either). No USB-C. 16GB RAM maximum.

Plus that kickstand always looked so inconvenient to me. On normal laptop I can adjust screen angle however I want. The kickstand also require a bigger surface to put it down properly. On normal laptop I am fine as long as the bottom half can fit on the table (or any flat surface), here there is need for much more space, seems very inconvenient especially when working in tight spaces like server room, car, or small c…

I own a SP, and I actually like the form factor, which I find much more flexible than it looks. I didn't find any condition where I can't use it.

I don't have experience on a car, but I routinely use it on my lap in the public transport, on airplanes, and on "small coffe tables", as long as I accept "90% of comfort".

Of course, the SP is a hybrid, so if the laptop form factor is a requirement (or "100% comfort"), then no hybrid is an appropriate choice (except the Surface book, which is arguably overpriced).

Regardless, it's definitely wrong to state that it needs more space; it actually needs less than a laptop, as it only needs three contact points - the kickstand, the screen bottom, and the top/lower side of the keyboard.

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