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Scientists find 7.2M-year-old pre-human remains in the Balkans

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Re: Scientists find 7.2M-year-old pre-human remains in the Balkans

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Post by ryanx435 »

tacomonstrous wrote: post #44
ryanx435 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's push back against the toxic strands of SJW culture that have gone from "diversity is good" to "white culure is bad". It's a small but very vocal branch of SJWs against a small and very vocal branch of counter SJWs, but both sides of it are in a meme war (using the scientific definition of meme: a mechanism to transfer ideas and culture) and the effects of their culture clashes are large enough for you and I to n…

Is it really so toxic to point out that the average white male in American society enjoys certain privileges that are unavailable to the average member of any other class? Or that the average black male is subject to multiple dis advantages that members of other classes don't usually experience? Also, the use of the term SJW might appear 'edgy' but its overuse has turned it into a marker of nothing but intellectual v…

You could point out other advantages that acrew to tall people, fit people, athletic people, rich people, beautiful people, young people, edycated people, etc etc etc

And the disadvantages faced by short people, fat people, non athletic people, poor people, ugly people, old people, uneducated people, etc etc etc.

My point being that everyone faces a different set of advantages and disadvantages that other people and classes either can't benefit from or prosper from.

Re: Scientists find 7.2M-year-old pre-human remains in the Balkans

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Post by not_that_noob »

The human evolutionary 'tree' is very tangled, and evidence exists for the emergence of homonim from Africa, some of which moved into Europe, and some of which could have then possibly migrated back to Africa. As sea levels rose and fell, new routes were forged or land disappeared, enabling all this back and forth.

Homo Sapiens is a descendant of this tree, and emerged from Africa. So that has not changed. What they find is that a hominim in Europe could have been an ancestor to Homo Sapiens way back in the tree. So the potential explanation is that this or a descendant found its way to Africa, and then gave rise eventually to Homo Sapiens.

Re: Scientists find 7.2M-year-old pre-human remains in the Balkans

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Post by microwavecamera »

flukus wrote: post #38
bpodgursky wrote: post #9

I'm not remotely an anthropologist, but my very-simple take on this is that it has no impact on the out-of-africa hypothesis which happened relatively recently (~60k years ago) -- this just suggests that ~7mm years ago, earlier human hominids were found in Europe. (think, maybe Lucy's ancestors came from Bulgaria. or had a dead family tree which lived in Bulgaria.)

Rather than disputing the out of Africa theory, it seems to propose an earlier "into africa" stage. It may lend some credence to the multi-regional hypothesis though.

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20151013-how-interbreeding-sh...

Seems likely.

Re: Scientists find 7.2M-year-old pre-human remains in the Balkans

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Post by rosser »

flukus wrote: post #60
dragonwriter wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's factually accurate, and recognizing that fact helps lots of people.

And it hinders a lot more because it pre-supposes that race is the root cause for a lot of social ills when it's really things like lack of access to education, which hurts poor white, black and end everything in between people. It also get's used to diminish the accomplishments of many white people that did not have privileged backgrounds.

Pointing out the uncontroversial fact that the average black man faces challenges which the average white man doesn't diminishes the white man's accomplishment's ... how, again?

Re: Scientists find 7.2M-year-old pre-human remains in the Balkans

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Post by flukus »

tacomonstrous wrote: post #52
flukus wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it really so toxic to point out that the average white male in American society enjoys certain privileges that are unavailable to the average member of any other class? Yes, it's divisive and helps no one, that's pretty much the definition of toxic.

>Yes, it's divisive and helps no one, that's pretty much the definition of toxic. I cannot even imagine the level of delusion and denial that underlies that statement.

This might surprise you but not all white people are average. Many come from distinctly disadvantaged backgrounds and get offended hearing you talk about how privileged they are.

Re: Scientists find 7.2M-year-old pre-human remains in the Balkans

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Post by pavanky »

voidz wrote: post #51
rubyn00bie wrote: post #13

The title is misleading (as written on HN) because the meaning of "hominim" is more to do with what we, humans, and other hominim (like neanderthals etc) evolved from. See linked chart: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yEUEavwMSCE/ULtMp3e_cVI/AAAAAAAAAD... This isn't our specific species but rather whatever we and similar species evolved from. I'm absolutely no expert on the subject. I actually find the title offensive if I…

> I actually find the title offensive if I'm right Cry me a river.

I don't know if I am offednded, but someone making up a shit title with no basis, and hundreds of people upvoting it without reading the article should be a damned shame. It's almost like some people just want the title to be true disregarding the facts.

Re: Scientists find 7.2M-year-old pre-human remains in the Balkans

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Post by tacomonstrous »

flukus wrote: post #60
dragonwriter wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's factually accurate, and recognizing that fact helps lots of people.

And it hinders a lot more because it pre-supposes that race is the root cause for a lot of social ills when it's really things like lack of access to education, which hurts poor white, black and end everything in between people. It also get's used to diminish the accomplishments of many white people that did not have privileged backgrounds.

I must have missed the part where the white man's ancestors were enslaved for generations, and then, even after being ostensibly freed, were segregated, oppressed and prevented from participating in the greatest economic boom the country has known by overtly racist policies that prevented them from accumulating generational wealth.

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Post by grzm »

pavanky wrote: post #67
voidz wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I actually find the title offensive if I'm right Cry me a river.

I don't know if I am offednded, but someone making up a shit title with no basis, and hundreds of people upvoting it without reading the article should be a damned shame. It's almost like some people just want the title to be true disregarding the facts.

> hundreds of people upvoting it

At the time of this comment, there are 101 up-votes on the article. Making no other judgement of your critique, engaging in exaggeration like this weakens it, especially given the volatility of the topic.

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Post by pavanky »

grzm wrote: post #69
pavanky wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if I am offednded, but someone making up a shit title with no basis, and hundreds of people upvoting it without reading the article should be a damned shame. It's almost like some people just want the title to be true disregarding the facts.

> hundreds of people upvoting it At the time of this comment, there are 101 up-votes on the article. Making no other judgement of your critique, engaging in exaggeration like this weakens it, especially given the volatility of the topic.

My bad. I saw it on the front page and made an off the cuff remark.
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