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Ask HN: How do I switch from being a passive consumer to an active producer?

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Re: Ask HN: How do I switch from being a passive consumer to an active producer?

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I've gone through this recently, and it's very difficult to overcome. I've read close to 50 books on topics like this, and some of the best advice I have gotten are from 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, Turn that ship around, Talent is Overrated, Flow, and The power of habit. These books provide mental models and frameworks that you can start using immediately to overcome this issue. What I've found is most peopl…

Isn't basing your values on the eulogy mind experiment you've described also a form of acting out of need for validation?

That's honestly a great point, and I had to mull this over quite a bit so I apologize for the delay. I wrote that as a complete stream of thought trying to deduce what I've learned over 3 years, so it makes sense that I'd leave out what I felt is a critical detail:

Humans need validation. How much validation we need, and what the sources of validation are, in my opinion, are more important then the fact of getting validation. Inherently when you seek validation, you're seeking acknowledgement and reassurance. You get a solid boost of dopamine when you present something you've worked on for 6 months and you get incredible feedback. You get the confidence that you're now capable of becoming a world class performer after finishing up 4 years at Julliard and do your solo performance. You then renew this sense of confidence with every single performance that happens afterwards(if they all go well).

My viewpoint is that if you're only producing for the validation of outside sources, you're eventually going to get burnt out. If you're producing only for validation, at a certain point you're not going to get the validation you thought you deserved and it's going to be demoralizing. This shouldn't limit your growth, though for a lot of people it does. You're chasing a false sense of security by gaining validation purely from others, and what I intend to do personally is strip that dependency of validation from others as a predictor of my own happiness.

That's where having personal values and a guiding principle come in hand. If you have a set of values and goals and roles that you're actively working towards that is well balanced, with a set of refined habits you could get validation from within before you seek validation from the outside. This enables you to find joy in mindless activities like cleaning up the house, gardening, doodling and daydreaming, because you know that when you're not meandering you're likely working on something that directly reinforces one of your core values. You get the positive reinforcement simply through your own habit, leading to a happier mindset before you even begin to share with the world whatever you wanted too. Hopefully this will allow you to take feedback positively, and work towards a better goal. It lets you not get too attached to every thing you create, removes the hovering parent effect on whatever you're creating, and forces you to be a bit more objective.

TL;DR; Validation is a necessary component of human existence, but the source of validation can be altered so that you can find purpose from within as opposed to relying on the outside world for validation. This I postulate is an integral part of becoming an active producer.

Re: Ask HN: How do I switch from being a passive consumer to an active producer?

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The guy wants advice on "how", not some words to make him feel better about not doing stuff, so let's give him that. > for most people this is an exercise that will in the long run lead to burnout. Your mind is already subconsciously telling you this. I want to point out that this is one of the reasons why people never start things. Let me share my experience as someone who has started, AND burned out, multiple times…

> Another mistake people make is thinking that burning out is like dying, and you can't recover. Speak for yourself, buddy. I'm still trying to overcome medical issues from my last bout with burnout, including sleep disturbances and stress-related gastritis, and so far the medical profession hasn't had much luck in dealing with any of them. Burnout and the stress that goes along with it can absolutely do lasting dama…

Yeah sure, this can happen. But for most people that's not what burnout means. Mostly it's having a project you want to start but every time you think about it you think "I'll have more time tomorrow, I'll just watch TV now", or "Ugh I can't concentrate on this, I'll take a break". And before you know it 6 months have passed.

That is more common, and that you can recover from

Re: Ask HN: How do I switch from being a passive consumer to an active producer?

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I'm going to say something that might be wildly unpopular among ambitious people: If you have a full-time job, you are by far not a passive consumer. You presumably contribute >40 hours every week of creatively demanding, high-quality labor to society. For most people, the premise of this question is wrong. Procrastination, when you don't obviously have a lot of available time and effort, is a symptom that most of yo…

For anyone interested, as someone that currently works 75%: At my last career change, I applied for a full time position, but asked if the employer would consider hiring me at 75%, with a matching reduction in salary. I work full time days, but am not paid to work Fridays plus a full week each quarter. Pros: the time off itself has been brilliant; I spend that extra time learning computer vision programming in Go, an…

I did this too for about 5 years, except I took 2 weeks off each quarter. I learned Scala, programming language theory, did papers on finance and logic, etc. The job I have now is based on some of the open source work I did during that period.

When I took time off to work on interesting stuff I found I was more practical and sensible in my main job. When I designed solutions I was very business focused. I didn't need to use the latest tech or do novel work, since I could do that in my own time. The day off each week kept me fresh and interested without needing to get that from my main job.

Re: Ask HN: How do I switch from being a passive consumer to an active producer?

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> I know some people who have energy levels that allow them to sustainably burn the candle at both ends, but they are a small minority. I am quite envious of this group; they appear to have a big leg up in accomplishing great things, but there appears to be a component of either genetics or upbringing that leaves only a small portion of people with this capability. Why isn't there more research on this? A huge number…

"But how do you do it?" Drugs is a consistent method. I did it for years.

Assoc: Paul Erdős a mathematician who used amphetamines most of his career.

Re: Ask HN: How do I switch from being a passive consumer to an active producer?

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I'm going to say something that might be wildly unpopular among ambitious people: If you have a full-time job, you are by far not a passive consumer. You presumably contribute >40 hours every week of creatively demanding, high-quality labor to society. For most people, the premise of this question is wrong. Procrastination, when you don't obviously have a lot of available time and effort, is a symptom that most of yo…

I also second the joys of a part-time job. One of the most productive periods in my working life was when I had a job that was 30 hours a week. I worked 6 hours a day -- so that forced me to get out of bed, shower, and become fully human -- and then in the evenings I had enough time and energy to make real progress on my artistic goals. I even found that the pay cut wasn't a 25% pay cut, but more like a 10% pay cut,…

Yeah, I asked for a reduced position without luck. (a development/programming position)

Re: Ask HN: How do I switch from being a passive consumer to an active producer?

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On what basis can we make the assumption that full-time jobs do in fact contribute to society? In this current world it's not an easy question to answer.

If nothing else, they contribute to your paying for your own life, rather than the rest of society having to support you.

No to mention the increased input into the local economy.

That allows others who may be doing something more directly for society to continue doing so.

Re: Ask HN: How do I switch from being a passive consumer to an active producer?

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> I know some people who have energy levels that allow them to sustainably burn the candle at both ends, but they are a small minority. I am quite envious of this group; they appear to have a big leg up in accomplishing great things, but there appears to be a component of either genetics or upbringing that leaves only a small portion of people with this capability. Why isn't there more research on this? A huge number…

> consistently delivering Musk-ian type efforts I bet Elon Musk has a number of advantages, such as: not doing laundry, not preparing meals, not washing the dishes, not going to the grocery store, avoid driving to work (either have a chauffeur or a very short commute)… Basically, not doing any work but "work". He's rich enough that he can pay somebody else to do everything he can't be bothered with. That frees him to…

One quibble, by definition a housewife doesn't have a full time job (taking care of the household is a full time job). Otherwise good point about outsourcing everything that isn't work.

Re: Ask HN: How do I switch from being a passive consumer to an active producer?

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My biggest tip: minimize what you do. Since you want to do more, I know this sounds crazy. But when I set up a personal kanban system, it really changed my life. You establish a backlog of what you want to do. Then you limit the amount of work in process (WIP). That gives you a very small number of open tasks to switch between, which means you end up increasing your focus and being forced to finish things. (Or at lea…

Would you mind explaining his you do this? Any software you use? Modus operandi?

WeKan is a free software KanBan program like Trello, and is what powers https://todo.cyphar.com (I even have some boards public so I can show people my priority list in projects I maintain)

Re: Ask HN: How do I switch from being a passive consumer to an active producer?

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Do you have something interesting to say? Or do you just feel pressure to "make stuff"?

If you're an interesting person, people will want to hear what you say. And the only way to become interesting, is to be interested.

Get out into the world, stop consuming the things you consume so much of, and consume things that can actually change your perspective. What do you truly care about? Figure out what that is, and read/listen to as many books as there are on the subject. Buy a handheld mic and interview people. Have something to say that you couldn't possibly imagine not making YouTube videos about. Now, stop reading pointless comment threads. Like, permanently. :)

Re: Ask HN: How do I switch from being a passive consumer to an active producer?

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"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel ins…

>Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. Is this actually true? I am fairly certain I fear inadequacy more than power. I've talked to and read people, including artists, writers, and programmers, who expressed fear of not measuring up to standards -- others' or their own. It seems very common. I have rarely heard someone express fear of becoming too pow…

You are correct. That quote is complete feel-good mumbo jumbo.
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