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My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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I have a yuba mundo cargo bike with a BBSHD 750W motor and Panasonic 52V battery. The whole setup costs around 2.5K, as I did the electric setup myself. It has been great as I can carry 2 kids on it, and as I live in a urban environment I never worry about parking. The BBSHD is a powerful motor and has been trouble free.

> I can carry 2 kids on it Are you nuts? Do you want them to die?

Any particular reason you say that? The Mundo is an extended-frame cargo bike that has really excellent accommodations for carrying two kids (or a week's worth of groceries, or a hundred kilos of other cargo).

Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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Depending on your locality and the power of your eBike, they may be right -- eBikes are restricted on many trails.

I've never heard of these trail restrictions on the east coast. I wonder if it is a west coast thing.

It's really hard to generalize since state and local laws vary so much.

For example, in Massachusetts, eBikes are allowed on bike paths, but not off-road bike trails:

https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXIV/Ch...

Motorized bicycles may be operated on bicycle lanes adjacent to the various ways, but shall be excluded from off-street recreational bicycle paths

Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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It's plausable from my experience riding an ebike. I've been yelled at by cyclists claiming that I'm not allowed to use trails, etc. and from /r/ebikes it's common to read that many cyclists call ebike riders "cheaters".

Depending on your locality and the power of your eBike, they may be right -- eBikes are restricted on many trails.

Yes, but in my area they are allowed on bike trails unless specifically signed otherwise (I've never seen such a sign).

Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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I'm glad the author likes hers, and it enables her to commute. I don't care who rides what on a street. What I do care about is people riding them on small narrow paths made for cycling at best speeds, at 24-28 mph. As someone who raced for 10+ years and still rides 120ish miles a week, I don't even ride that fast around bike paths. It's just too dangerous with joggers, strollers, kids on bikes, whatever. When I see…

So why not allow them on bike paths as long as they go the same speed as regular bicycles?

Typically if a bike path exists, it's because being on 2 wheels on the main road is extremely dangerous.

I'm interested in an e-bike, not to go faster, but because they "erase" the difference between hills and flat ground, and most of my routes are too steep to be pleasant on an unpowered bicycle.

Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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I'm glad the author likes hers, and it enables her to commute. I don't care who rides what on a street. What I do care about is people riding them on small narrow paths made for cycling at best speeds, at 24-28 mph. As someone who raced for 10+ years and still rides 120ish miles a week, I don't even ride that fast around bike paths. It's just too dangerous with joggers, strollers, kids on bikes, whatever. When I see…

The author is not necessarily a 'he'.

> ...I was wearing a skirt...

> posted by Pam Mandel

Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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> I can carry 2 kids on it Are you nuts? Do you want them to die?

They are in child seats, the Yuba is a great bike that is rated for over 700 pounds and has lots of child friendly adapters. You can see more examples of parents pushing their kids in cargo bikes here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yy3kXIaKp8 Without electric it can be a real workout, but with electric assist its so much more fun. The kids cry these days if we tell them they need to go into the car. You can buy a…

Have you thought of what would happen if you collided with a car?

And then, have you thought of what would happen if you were in a car?

In the car, you have a crumple zone.

In the bike, your kids are the crumple zone.

Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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Thanks for mentioning the stigma around motorcycles and scooters in the U.S. They are seen as grown up toys, yet all over the world motorcycles serve as a primary means of transportation for millions of people. Careless drivers obviously aren't targeting motorcycles, but I think there's a collective lack of mindfulness to their presence on the road. Anecdotally, I became a better car driver after just a few weeks of…

What did you learn from riding a motorcycle?

Also a motorcyclist.

- We're trained to look and anticipate much further down the road than car drivers are.

- Unlike car drivers, we don't get to space out and rely on our mental autopilots to wake us up when something goes off-nominal. It's a much more active and deliberate process.

- We develop a "sixth sense" for when cars are going to change lanes without signaling (there are lots of cues: driver head movement, matching speed to find an open space, wheels turning, etc) and tend to catch these events far, far ahead of our current positions.

- Rounding curves is a highly deliberate process for motorcyclists, one of the biggest components being "look all the way through the turn." Since learning to ride, I no longer get surprised by developments around a corner, because I've been looking at and planning around them since before I entered the corner. I also get more frustrated by my A-pillar thwarting this attempt, lean so I can see around it, and would be less likely to buy a car with a dangerously enormous A-pillar like a Prius.

- Less safety-related, but I also now drive the way you're supposed to ride: slow down approaching the corner to create plenty of distance from the car ahead of you, look all the way through and plan your path through it, then accelerate through that path. Decelerating through a curve/turn is horrible for motorcycle stability and I get pissed off when people brake through curves in front of me, even in a car.

Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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I'm glad the author likes hers, and it enables her to commute. I don't care who rides what on a street. What I do care about is people riding them on small narrow paths made for cycling at best speeds, at 24-28 mph. As someone who raced for 10+ years and still rides 120ish miles a week, I don't even ride that fast around bike paths. It's just too dangerous with joggers, strollers, kids on bikes, whatever. When I see…

I agree, but it's effectively impossible to enforce. The latest electric bikes are visually almost indistinguishable from regular bikes. And police almost never have the resources to sit by a bike path with a radar gun.

Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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Nasty car-to-car crashes happen all the time, and it isn't because the drivers involved don't consider cars a valid means of transport. The difference is that you can walk away from most car-to-car crashes because you're ensconced in 3000 pounds of steel. Perhaps it will make more sense when self-driving cars, or even just lane keeping and auto-braking cruise control become mainstream.

I agree that car accidents still happen. But honestly most my near misses with cars were outright insane. One in particular gives me chills. I was driving along an empty road and a car wanted to make a right-hand turn onto the road. The car driver came to a stop at the side road, we were close and it was clear enough that I made eye contact with the middle-aged woman driver. I swear she looked me right in the eyes, t…

A bit like this? https://imgur.com/r/wtf/w7TLaja

Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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I agree that car accidents still happen. But honestly most my near misses with cars were outright insane. One in particular gives me chills. I was driving along an empty road and a car wanted to make a right-hand turn onto the road. The car driver came to a stop at the side road, we were close and it was clear enough that I made eye contact with the middle-aged woman driver. I swear she looked me right in the eyes, t…

A bit like this? https://imgur.com/r/wtf/w7TLaja

Ah, no. Not like that at all.

That cyclist is in a right turning lane and rode right over a painted traffic island. Not at all suggesting that gives the car the right to drive into them. However, being stupid is something motorcyclists (and I'd assume cyclists) generally try to avoid!

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