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My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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I have a couple of friends with e-bikes and they sound like a lot of fun. My only problem with them is that, by the time you've added 10-15kg of running gear to a bike, you've entered a feedback loop where the bike's heavier, and it goes faster, so it needs wider tyres, better brakes... and now is even heavier and harder to pedal, so it needs more power... pretty soon you have something that's enough of a motorbike t…

You really should be adding under 5kg for electric assist. As long as you can easily recharge at work ~100w for 1h is really plenty of power in most areas. On level ground you only need ~60w to do 15 km/h which is about the energy output from walking. Add 100w assist and you can get up modest hills fast enough to stay balanced without all that much effort which means you can show up at work without needing to shower most days.

Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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Cyclist here. It's a different type of vehicle than a leg-powered bike and therefore not cheating at all... unless you're recording your rides on Strava, then it is.

More bikes is a very good thing, whether human or human/electric powered.

Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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It's a decent article, but I don't believe for a second that exchange at the beginning actually happened

It's plausable from my experience riding an ebike. I've been yelled at by cyclists claiming that I'm not allowed to use trails, etc. and from /r/ebikes it's common to read that many cyclists call ebike riders "cheaters".

I wouldn't care about the cheating part but if you are able to drive considerably more power through your back wheel than you could without the motor please stay off of mountain bike trails. The trails get destroyed by the back wheel spinning up coming out of every corner and you end up with heavily rutted motocross style erosion.

Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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I have an ebike with relatively high power and a large battery because I live in the mountains with steep hills. My regular bike is pretty much useless near home. But my ebike has made me a cyclist again, and the only word to describe it is "joy." If you get a mid-drive ebike with at least 750 watts of power, you'll have no problem on San Francisco hills. I almost wish I lived in SF (almost) just to ride this bike there.

Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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Cyclist here. It's a different type of vehicle than a leg-powered bike and therefore not cheating at all... unless you're recording your rides on Strava, then it is. More bikes is a very good thing, whether human or human/electric powered.

Motorcyclist here. I agree. If it's got two wheels and it makes you smile, it's a good thing. :)

Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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I have very mixed feelings about riding bikes in cities. The health benefits can be completely negated (or worse) depending on the air quality around where you are riding. There are certainly reasons to ride other than that -- speed, freedom, etc. Electric bikes are good in that you can get to your destination faster than a regular bike, reducing exposure to the mentioned issues. There are few downsides to going electric -- hardly cheating.

Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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I commute on an electric bike in the Bay Area. Electric bikes are awesome to ride, but here are a summary of the main issues I've experienced so far:

- LIES, LIES, LIES ABOUT RANGE -- I have a Gigabyke (gigabyke.com) which ships with an SLA battery (a horrible design desicion) and claims a range of 35 miles and a maximum rider weight of 250 pounds. Good luck. I weigh half that and when I got it new, I clocked in exactly 23 miles before the battery crapped out. In Palo Alto, on flat ground, with no wind, on a nice sunny day. It struggles up hills. They really should have said "maxmum range 20 miles" and "maximum weight 150 pounds" if they wanted to be honest to customers. I replaced the battery with an aftermarket Lithium battery and get more acceptable performance now, but that does take some EE handywork.

- REGULATION -- In California at least, it's technically a motorcycle if it goes past 20 mph. People hate seeing your electric bike on bike paths though. So you're forced to travel with 35-40 mph cars. On something that's hard-limited to 20 mph because of some silly law. The 20 mph limit actually makes them more unsafe. (This likely applies to a lot of US states. China doesn't have this problem; most electric bikes there don't have artifically imposed limits and are only limited by their motors.)

- RED LIGHTS -- they never turn green, at least in much of the Bay Area. You're forced to run them because the sensors can't sense you. And it's illegal to ride onto the sidewalk to hit the pedestrian crossing light button.

- HEAVY -- sure, they ship with pedals. They advertise that you can use them. But I'm downright exhausted after pedaling my electric bike for 100 meters. In short, if you are at risk of running out of battery, use a normal bike instead, which can be recharged by ... eating. I can comfortably go 100 km a day on a normal bike as long as I have food and water available, whereas most electric bikes will cop out at less than 40 km. So ... great for commuting, not great for recreation.

On the plus side, they're super fun to ride, make a commute on a hot day much more pleasant than a bike ride, are super-easy to park in congested cities, help you avoid inhaling large amounts of carbon monoxide on your rush-hour commute, and ideal for getting around large school campuses where you can find charging outlets pretty much anywhere. So I love riding mine, overall. Just pointing out that they aren't totally mature technology just yet.

Re: My Electric Bike Is Not ‘Cheating.’ It Could Replace Cars for Millions of People

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post #7

Electric bikes are really taking off in China. I wrote down my thoughts a while ago. Will copy and paste here: Like a car, they offer cheap on-demand transit to your exact destination. Unlike a car they do not support long distances, heavy loads or more than 2 people, but often those features are not needed by the urban commuter. Furthermore they lack many of the drawbacks of a car; getting stuck in traffic, the need…

I recently rode the electric share bikes in Beijing.

It was a fantastic experience. Pick up from anywhere, leave anywhere.

Share bikes are getting huge in China, sometimes causing a mess. But the white electric share bikes in Beijing were a fantastic experience and could have a big impact on the cities pollution and transportation issues.

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