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A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

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Re: A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

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What is puzzling about MOND and to lesser extent about Dark Matter is that both uses violation of Newton mechanics to justify themselves when we know that Newtonian mechanics is wrong. The problem is that we cannot yet model behavior of galaxies using just General Relativity. Typically models assumes Newtonian physics with minimal accounting for relativity. However there is no sound proof that it is a valid approxima…

There is something that always puzzles me and I would like if something could illuminate me. How are those kind of massive scale astrophysical calculations made? Do they take into account every visible mass aggregate in the galaxy and simulate them, or just apply cinematic at scale assuming the galaxy centre is a point of certain mass? I have played a little with N body simulations and I can't but be amazed about how…

I'm not much of an expert on the topic, but have also played with writing N-body simulations. At some point, obviously N^2 is unfeasible, so most simulations seem to use some approximation, such as the Barnes-Hut approach [1]. That approach divides the simulation space into an octtree. One can then use said octtree to approximate the force of distant quadrants by simply using the center of mass of an entire region. Due to the rate at which gravity drops off over large distances, it's "accurate enough", and fortunately the majority of "N" is "distant".

A good (but pretty shallow) overview exists on Wikipedia about other approaches [2] (under "Calculation optimizations").

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnes%E2%80%93Hut_simulation

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-body_simulation

EDIT: It's occurred to me that you were referring more to stability of the simulation, rather than what optimisations are used. I have less information to offer on that part, and I agree that it would be a huge problem, if complete accuracy was desired. I suspect, however, that in the kinds of simulations we're talking about, it's more about a general result such as "the whole galaxy should be divergent", not whether a single star went left or right when interacting with a black hole.

Re: A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

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What is puzzling about MOND and to lesser extent about Dark Matter is that both uses violation of Newton mechanics to justify themselves when we know that Newtonian mechanics is wrong. The problem is that we cannot yet model behavior of galaxies using just General Relativity. Typically models assumes Newtonian physics with minimal accounting for relativity. However there is no sound proof that it is a valid approxima…

There is something that always puzzles me and I would like if something could illuminate me. How are those kind of massive scale astrophysical calculations made? Do they take into account every visible mass aggregate in the galaxy and simulate them, or just apply cinematic at scale assuming the galaxy centre is a point of certain mass? I have played a little with N body simulations and I can't but be amazed about how…

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Re: A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

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How do you explaining gravitational lensing with no visible mass, without dark matter? In other words situations where we see twin images of a very distant galaxy because light curves around intervening mass, without sufficient mass observable to explain the deflection? I was under the impression that we could map dark matter localized to a precision that tended to rule out measurement error or a general divergence f…

Because our calculations are made with poor assumptions.

Re: A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a misunderstanding of the problems and evidence of dark matter: https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/6488wb/i_dont_want_t...

I'm not seeing anything there that isn't a handwavey explanation for "reality doesn't match the models, so DARK MATTER!"

>One of the recent most convincing things was the bullet cluster as described here.[1] We saw two galaxies collide where the "observed" matter actually underwent a collision but the gravitational lensing kept moving un-impeded which matches the belief that the majority of mass in a galaxy is collisionless dark matter that felt no colliding interaction and passed right on through bringing the bulk of the gravitational lensing with it.

How can you possibly even begin to explain that without dark matter?

[1] http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2006/08/21/dark-mat...

Re: A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not seeing anything there that isn't a handwavey explanation for "reality doesn't match the models, so DARK MATTER!"

>One of the recent most convincing things was the bullet cluster as described here.[1] We saw two galaxies collide where the "observed" matter actually underwent a collision but the gravitational lensing kept moving un-impeded which matches the belief that the majority of mass in a galaxy is collisionless dark matter that felt no colliding interaction and passed right on through bringing the bulk of the gravitational…

We don't understand how matter acrually works on a large scale. Inventing imaginary terms that we can't observe to satisfy the equations in the models to match the observed reality seems a poor practice.

Re: A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not seeing anything there that isn't a handwavey explanation for "reality doesn't match the models, so DARK MATTER!"

>One of the recent most convincing things was the bullet cluster as described here.[1] We saw two galaxies collide where the "observed" matter actually underwent a collision but the gravitational lensing kept moving un-impeded which matches the belief that the majority of mass in a galaxy is collisionless dark matter that felt no colliding interaction and passed right on through bringing the bulk of the gravitational…

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Re: A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

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This almost an exact duplicate: http://cosmos.nautil.us/short/144/the-physicist-who-denies-t... and original HN comments here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13743439 Do people not search Agolia before posting? Is it acceptable to repost things? (I'm not HN expert).

Meta, but whatever.

You really ought to check the search funtion for a url before you post it. But the dupe detector/merger ought to be smarter, in a world where medium and feedburner, to take two examples, tack all manner of querystring garbage onto a url.

Re: A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

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How do you explaining gravitational lensing with no visible mass, without dark matter? In other words situations where we see twin images of a very distant galaxy because light curves around intervening mass, without sufficient mass observable to explain the deflection? I was under the impression that we could map dark matter localized to a precision that tended to rule out measurement error or a general divergence f…

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