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A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

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Re: A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

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The title is irritating.

This is an interview with Milgrom, covering the man more than MOND.

But, dark matter isn't something to be denied. Because it isn't understood yet, to the point where we can doubt its existence.

We don't have all the answers yet, where denial rejects something as patently false.

But, "The man who has an alternative to Dark Matter", is a far less attractive title for those clicks.

Re: A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

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post #2

The title is irritating. This is an interview with Milgrom, covering the man more than MOND. But, dark matter isn't something to be denied. Because it isn't understood yet, to the point where we can doubt its existence. We don't have all the answers yet, where denial rejects something as patently false. But, "The man who has an alternative to Dark Matter", is a far less attractive title for those clicks.

Ironically I'm now more interested to read it after hearing your alternative title.

Re: A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

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What is puzzling about MOND and to lesser extent about Dark Matter is that both uses violation of Newton mechanics to justify themselves when we know that Newtonian mechanics is wrong. The problem is that we cannot yet model behavior of galaxies using just General Relativity. Typically models assumes Newtonian physics with minimal accounting for relativity. However there is no sound proof that it is a valid approximation. The General Relativity is extremely non-linear and even small contribution may lead to very big consequences.

We cannot yet rule out that there are no problems with dynamic of galaxies. It can be that we model them using wrong approximations.

Re: A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

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post #2

The title is irritating. This is an interview with Milgrom, covering the man more than MOND. But, dark matter isn't something to be denied. Because it isn't understood yet, to the point where we can doubt its existence. We don't have all the answers yet, where denial rejects something as patently false. But, "The man who has an alternative to Dark Matter", is a far less attractive title for those clicks.

> ...But, dark matter isn't something to be denied. Because it isn't understood yet, to the point where we can doubt its existence....

There is something not quite right with your logic and I am struggling to identify what it is :/

Re: A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

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post #2

The title is irritating. This is an interview with Milgrom, covering the man more than MOND. But, dark matter isn't something to be denied. Because it isn't understood yet, to the point where we can doubt its existence. We don't have all the answers yet, where denial rejects something as patently false. But, "The man who has an alternative to Dark Matter", is a far less attractive title for those clicks.

> ...But, dark matter isn't something to be denied. Because it isn't understood yet, to the point where we can doubt its existence.... There is something not quite right with your logic and I am struggling to identify what it is :/

Maybe I can expand.

I can deny the Earth is flat, because there is an abundance of evidence that it is round.

I can't deny that there are 650 elements, because as far as I know, other elements may be discovered. But I can certainly doubt it, and supply alternative theories.

I can deny allegations of wrong doing, because they either happened, or didn't.

But Dark Matter isn't assured yet. Denying it means it either exists or doesn't. But the truth may be a mix of MOND and something different but similar to Dark Matter. It isn't "fixed" into a yes/no situation.

Re: A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

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post #2

The title is irritating. This is an interview with Milgrom, covering the man more than MOND. But, dark matter isn't something to be denied. Because it isn't understood yet, to the point where we can doubt its existence. We don't have all the answers yet, where denial rejects something as patently false. But, "The man who has an alternative to Dark Matter", is a far less attractive title for those clicks.

> ...But, dark matter isn't something to be denied. Because it isn't understood yet, to the point where we can doubt its existence.... There is something not quite right with your logic and I am struggling to identify what it is :/

He expressed it badly. The point I think he is trying to say is that dark matter can be neither proven nor disproven at this time with the information available. An intellectually honest person should remain open to both possibilities.

You can say "I am not convinced of the dark matter hypothesis."

But unless you have information the rest of us do not, you can't really say "I deny the dark matter hypothesis could be real."

Re: A Physicist Who Denies Dark Matter

#9
Dark matter appears, to a layman with some historical knowledge, as nothing more than modern day epicycles. When we can't explain something with the models we have, and have to invent magic terms to balance the equations, that indicates that we really don't know what the fuck is going on.
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