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One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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post #204

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OK, so I get an unmetered symmetric 100 Mbps uplink for less than $50 per month. It happens to be through a private ISP, so I'm insulated from this bullshit, unless backbone ISPs play dirty. But anyway, I want Internet connectivity for many reasons, and they're constantly changing. The idea of getting hobbled general access plus full-speed access to some restricted set of services is insane. I mean, would you expect…

I realized that it's pretty fruitless to discuss these things on HN, but since you responded I will give you a response. This isn't something that is generally happening, at least not outside mobile connectivity where certain services are sometimes included. It's not really about what you, or other 'heavy' Internet users wants, but about consumers. People who want net neutrality have to have a response to normal peop…

Thanks. Those are decent arguments. But ...

> More and more people are getting access to broadband, yet it's still quite expensive.

Why isn't that an issue in so many countries, where broadband is widely available, and not all that expensive?

> The idea, which you will have to defend against if you ultimately want net neutrality, is that companies could pay for the bandwidth.

OK, that works for Netflix. But it increases barriers to market entry, and thus stifles competition. And more generally, it's a regression to pre-Internet walled gardens.

> Point being that a lot of people lack broadband because they can't afford the installation cost and that is a big different between Internet access and other utilities which are much more universal.

Back in the day, the US had the Rural Electrification Administration. Everyone got access. But they still had to pay for the electricity. So why not for Internet access? Users could pay for some mix of bandwidth and throughput.

I mean, when I lease VPS, I typically get either uncapped 100 Mbps uplinks, or 1 Gbps uplinks capped at 1-10 TB/mo. VPS with 1 Gbps uplinks and 5 TB/mo go for about $20/mo.

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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It's probably a nitpick, but to me Mozilla has always been an organisation with a global mission. They make it seem like these decisions have a global impact, whereas in reality, if I'm not mistaken, this is about national policy for a single country. A country which is not mentioned by name at all in the entire article. I wish authors would step away from the "USA == world" idea a bit more often. I'd like to get an…

As an Australian I agree that Americans have a tendency to forget that the world exists beyond US borders, but the internet and the tech industry is still dominated by US companies. A less-free US internet absolutely has flow-on effects to the rest of the world when the rest of the world is dependent on US services. Furthermore, the FCC is setting a very poor example for other regulators...

And also that US law propagates through the world by trade deals and such.

Re: One Step Closer to a Closed Internet

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post #154

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And I absolutely can not live with ISPs having control over content and it's speed.

How did you survive before 2015?

Not everyone lives in USA, I never had limited bandwidth or any other blocking on my internet here in Sweden.
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