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Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

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Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

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Post by Kiro »

Sunset wrote: post #325
panglott wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was Assange's claim, but there are two women in Sweden who say that he sexually victimized them. The details of their claims have been out for a while: IIRC they had consensual sex with him, and later that night he had nonconsensual sex with them. It seems Sweden (rightly) takes sexual assault much more seriously than some other jurisdictions.

He had consensual sex with them. The sex only became nonconsensual retroactively when they learned about one another. Which is frankly, bullshit.

You're just speculating. But sure, in case the accusations are fabricated that's a much more plausible explanation than that there's a big conspiracy going on.

Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

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Post by jameslk »

panglott wrote: post #327

No mention of the alleged victims in the OP? Here's the NYTimes story: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/world/europe/julian-assan... 'Elisabeth Massi Fritz, who represents the woman who accused Mr. Assange of rape, issued a scathing response after the prosecutors abandoned the case. “A legal examination is very important for someone who has been raped, as is the possibility for redress,” she said. “In this case, th…

There is a mention of the plaintiff in the original article:

> The plaintiff in the rape case was "shocked" by the decision, her lawyer said, and maintained her accusations against Mr Assange, Agence France-Presse reported.

Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

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Post by appleflaxen »

varjag wrote: post #54
chx wrote: post #39

Is there a good article -- does even anyone know? -- on how did Wikileaks turn from a whistleblower into a mouthpiece of the Kremlin? Edit: some examples: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/... https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/03/...

Assange agenda was always anti-Americanism at expense of everyone else, so he just stayed true to himself. Many of his then liberal supporters were turning a blind eye to this, until it spectacularly bit them in the ass.

when WL policy is "publish everything in the public interest we possibly can" and it looks "unamerican" to the american public, it's a clue that your government is doing some really ugly things.

Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

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Post by appleflaxen »

enraged_camel wrote: post #241
ionised wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, I harbour a lot of anti-American sentiment too (US government that is, the American people seem mostly fine) and I frequently speak up about it. Does that make me a Russian agent/mouthpiece/troll too?

It is not about being vocal with anti-American sentiment that makes one a Russian agent/mouthpiece/troll. Conduct and intent have a lot to do with it. Do you use your anti-American sentiment to push a pro-Russian agenda? Do you use inflammatory rhetoric to derail anti-Russian conversations? Do you find yourself repeating pro-Russian propaganda? When you criticize America, is your intent to widen political divides and…

say he's 100% paid by russia.

ok; fine.

now let's reflect on the fact that it appears that 100% of what he's said has been true.

that is a shocking fact. no less shocking because no mainstream media outlet can even come close.

so what, exactly is the nature of your objection?

because it looks like the epitome of an ad homenim attack, and leaves the substance of everything he's released completely unanswered (and it makes you appear too partisan to see the truth).

Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

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Post by allover »

bjourne wrote: post #343
cptskippy wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. His refusal to cooperate with the investigation on Sweden's terms wasn't about the alleged crime itself. His concern was that because he was involved in a criminal investigation, he could be taken into custody by either British or Swedish authorities at which point he could be extradited to the US.

That was his stated concern. I don't think it makes any sense because he could have been arrested by Swedish or British authorities long before the alleged rapes occurred.

Well let's assume he was scared of a random arrest before the allegations. He'd be extra scared when they emerged.

Not sure what's to doubt.

Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

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Post by allover »

seppin wrote: post #318
cptskippy wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. His refusal to cooperate with the investigation on Sweden's terms wasn't about the alleged crime itself. His concern was that because he was involved in a criminal investigation, he could be taken into custody by either British or Swedish authorities at which point he could be extradited to the US.

Actually, his 'conditions' for meeting with the Swedish government were absurd. Basically guaranteeing his freedom no matter what. That's not how criminal investigates are done.

He is supposedly in fear of being extradited to the US and then stuck in a hole to rot. On paper Guantanamo is 'not how criminal investigations are done' either.

Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

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Post by praneshp »

lenkite wrote: post #339
rmc wrote: post #188

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It's also very strange that, if he was really afraid of the US & NATO, he'd flee to the UK . Sweden is not in NATO, and the UK co-founded it. The UK and the US have a long standing "special relationship", with the UK being the main other country involved in invading Iraq. If you're afraid of the US, why you'd go to the UK is beyond me.

It's actually tough to extradite from the UK. Lots of corrupt Indian businessmen go to the UK when they wish to flee our taxmen. And then mock us in the British papers and TV.

India != US. My bet is that UK would fall over themselves if the US demanded a corrupt businessman or a "high value target" like Assange.

Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

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Post by sctb »

timwaagh wrote: post #161

i dont like it when a rapist goes free. what i like less is his apologists. it is like with trump. if you have enough followers it is apparantly ok to mistreat women. i suppose 5 years of sitting in an ecuadoran embassy is no fun but he still escaped justice.

Let's please not re-ignite this particular flamewar here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

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Post by allover »

panglott wrote: post #330
Sunset wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He had consensual sex with them. The sex only became nonconsensual retroactively when they learned about one another. Which is frankly, bullshit.

My understanding is that he had consensual sex with them, they went to sleep, then he had nonconsensual sex with them while they were sleeping. They were individually disturbed by these events, but did not decide to file charges until they compared stories. That's very different from "the sex became nonconsensual retroactively". And I don't think it's uncommon for women brave the consequences of speaking out about se…

> My understanding is that he had consensual sex with them, they went to sleep, then he had nonconsensual sex with them while they were sleeping.

Source? Seems to differ from: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange...

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