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There's that, plus the time that it takes for the automatic transmission to decide that yes, you really do want to accelerate, and yes, maybe it ought to get around to increasing the RPMs one of these seconds. Electric cars opened my interest car performance. I now have a higher performance ICE than I ever thought I would spend money on, but I still miss my tiny little electric Fiat 500e, even though my ICE is defini…
>Fiddling with gears, monitoring RPM, what a terrible system. For some of us, this "terrible system" is one of the best parts of owning an ICE vehicle with a manual transmission.
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#462I have a 2016 Ford Mustang GT/CS and consistently get 23-24 MPG with mostly highway/freeway driving. It's unreal that a 5.0L V8 with 435HP (stock) gets that good gas mileage. The materials and fit & finish is better all around too. We are truly living in the middle of another "golden age" of automobiles. Watch out though - here come the EVs :)
24 MPG is embarrassingly bad. A 1970s Datsun 240Z gets the same fuel economy. Compared to a modern luxury car, a new BMW 3 Series will get 80 MPG on a freeway. There's nothing wrong with buying a gorgeous car like yours, there are plenty of reasons to have one, but trying to claim it's environmentally friendly is just ridiculous.
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2017_BMW_3_Series.sh...
Are you talking about the i8?
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#463The chart makes me sad. My Subaru BRZ (2013-) "sports car" comes with only 200hp. Many people looking for more power install aftermarket superchargers.
A nearly perfect car. I say "nearly" because of the slight torque dip in the mid-range. It's too bad no one is buying them because they don't have "enough power". I am waffling on either a BRZ or a MX-5. I'm leaning towards the MX-5 because it seems like the BRZ/GT-86 may not be around much longer.
Two reasons:
1. The NC/ND Miata crowd is a much older demographic, keeping their precious car in the garage over the winter, keeping it bone stock, bringing it to the dealership instead of working on it themselves and only taking it out on sunny days. I don't click with that crowd.
2. The aftermarket support for the FR-S/BRZ/GT86 is completely overwhelming. Want a completely different exhaust setup or want to run flex fuel? Turbocharged? Supercharged? There's quite a few choices to select from. ND Miatas have some selection, but not nearly at the same cost or availability.
You can get rid of that torque dip quite easily if it's bothering you, by the way. Just need new UEL exhaust headers and a tune. You'll even make a bit more power when you're finished with it, so win/win.
Personally I'm loving that people aren't buying them because it's been keeping the barrier of entry way down. They truly are remarkable cars... There's a lot more to a car than the numbers. The suspension/geometry and chassis with 55/45 weight distribution, MacPherson struts, Torsen limited slip differential comes standard, and low center of gravity due to its boxer engine are top-notch compared to something like a 370Z.
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Electric vehicles are a tough sell now though. The Chevy Bolt EV has a 60 kWh Lithium-ion battery; to charge that fully costs $8.7 in Utah (14.5 cents per kWh). Per the EPA's measure that gets you 238 miles. Gas costs approx $2.24/gallon in Utah. A Prius has a 11.3 gallon tank and a 540 miles range (again, EPA standard). That means that $11.15 would get you the same distance as a full Bolt EV charge in gas. Now, befo…
Honestly you can take the $10k+ difference and donate it to charity or save it up for your kid's college, if you have children. $10k can buy malaria nets for 4000 kids in Africa, if you donate to some place like Against Malaria Foundation. At the moment, I don't see any altruistic outcome from buying EVs. Personally, I am also against using any non-economic arguments in choosing cars, unless you are really rich and t…
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Except that some illnesses like cancer are avoidable, it's not just accidents. Except that buses and trains and horses and teslas kill people and pollute. Even bikes kill people. Every mode of transportation is a killer, so if you want to eliminate travel deaths you can only eliminate travel. If you eliminated cars completely tens of thousands would likely still die in the US from transportation accidents. But now yo…
> Except that some illnesses like cancer are avoidable Sorry?
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#466Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except that some illnesses like cancer are avoidable, it's not just accidents. Except that buses and trains and horses and teslas kill people and pollute. Even bikes kill people. Every mode of transportation is a killer, so if you want to eliminate travel deaths you can only eliminate travel. If you eliminated cars completely tens of thousands would likely still die in the US from transportation accidents. But now yo…
>>If you eliminated cars completely tens of thousands would likely still die in the US from transportation accidents. But now you've trapped people and forced them to live close to work, do less traveling, and live crappier lives. >>Automobiles provide freedom to choose where you want to live and work. They are cleaner than ever and getting cleaner every year. I think you're still ignoring the pollution deaths and ma…
My job is 20 miles away, I'm not riding a bike. I don't want to spend hours going to and from work every day. I'm not moving my kids into a shittier house without a big yard in a shittier school district, just so I can bike to work.
I'm not going to move my family in a shitty apartment just so we can have "density" and force everyone to use shitty mass transit.
My daughters dojo is 5 miles from my house, she ain't walking there. I'm not sending her to the shitty dojo down the street.
No one is getting excluded. The young, old, poor and disabled are driven everywhere in cars. If they can't drive themselves, someone drives them. Thats what we do for family members. And soon the car itself will drive them.
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> Especially out West, for vast areas of the US, there really are no good alternatives to driving ... > And most of the cities are too far apart to reasonably take trains between them. Heh, that's a very USian response ;). That's largely because the US doesn't have proper long-distance trains. In a lot of other countries you'll be about as fast or faster with a train rather than a car, and can comfortably work for mo…
The US has a comparable train to your Berlin-Freiburg route. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acela_Express Unsurprisingly, it goes through a high population density region. Even a route like this one wouldn't service all that many people and isn't even halfway across the country: http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_car&rout... (It does a decent job of passing metro areas; Pittsburg, Cleveland, Detroit,…
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acela_Express
Well, it lags by over 100km/h of allowed speed (and more in practice I tihnk), but then the fast trains in Germany can't use their top-speed in a lot of regions either. The network isn't even remotely as varied. But, as you say:
> Unsurprisingly, it goes through a high population density region.
Everything in Germany is extremely dense compared to large swathes of the US. It'd not be feasible to have every medium sized city on a high-speed train network in the US.
But the situation on the US west coast, where I now live, is really kinda bad. There not being reasonable "public"/rail transport between SeattlePortlandSF/Bay AreaLA is hard to understand from a European/German perspective, although I see the political perspective of it being hard to do.
You really get used to that tho. I recently went to a conference in Stockholm, and reflexively wanted to hail a cab from the airport to the hotel/venue. Just to remember to check public transport: 15min less than by car.
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People are going to be on their phone at 70 MPH no matter what do-dads are in their car . The best we can do is take the human element out of the equation.
>People are going to be on their phone at 70 MPH no matter what do-dads are in their car Somewhat disagree. It's not a distraction panacea (based on various studies) but if we had voice recognition and natural language processing in cars that really worked well, there would be a whole lot less temptation to look down at a screen or type. Not justifying people who do so. Just observing that better tech would largely e…
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#469These new engine technologies are really cool if you enjoy driving performance cars, and it's amazing how it's possible to comply with EPA requirements while delivering so much power, but all these systems add a lot of complexity. Direct fuel injection, turbos and fancy transmissions are the min technologies which make these powerful efficient cars possible, but they're all impossibly complex to service! DFI leads to…
Cars are far more reliable than every before. The median age of cars on the road has been steadily creeping up for years. Turbocharging does not make an engine less reliable: every big rig on the road is turbocharged and designed to go hundreds of thousands of miles while seeing engine loads unheard of for passenger cars.. I'm not sure why people have the perception a 10 speed auto is less reliable than a 4 speed aut…
When you add more complexity, you add more opportunities for failure, that's just a fact. Twin engine airplanes have twice as many engine-out emergencies as single engine airplanes.
I have the perception that 10 speed transmissions are less reliable than four speed because I've messed with the innards of both. There are size and weight constraints in cars, and you have to get those 10 gears into similar space where you used to get 4, particularly in transverse applications. Transmissions almost never fail due to the gear set failing. What happens is that some chunk of a clutch plate breaks off and causes havoc, or some solenoid gets weak and allows for clutch slippage and the clutch plates overheat and damage the fluid, which cascades pretty quickly. Big rig transmissions are seriously big and heavy duty, car transmissions are dainty things by comparison. Your Getrag example is an exception - it's a high performance transmission meant for expensive cars. Yes, once cost isn't a constraint, things do get beefier and more reliable.
My point was that the complexity of these things makes it very hard to fix them, so cars reach end of life sooner. You could have Jimbob's Local Transmission Shop rebuild your transmission in the past, now Jimbob is over his head. He has to send it out to a rebuilder, who will charge several thousand dollars for this thing, so it's only cost effective to fix cars which are relatively new.
Turbos are used to make smaller engines behave like bigger ones, they help generate more heat and more pressure to develop more power, but weight and size are still constraints, so everything operates closer to maximum stress tolerances. I've been racing cars for almost ten years, and on hot days, it's not the naturally aspirated engines which blow up, it's the turbos. As with transmissions, big rig turbos are not constrained by size, weight and cost like passenger car turbos. They have gotten a LOT better, don't get me wrong, but a turbocharged engine is a much more complex system than a naturally aspirated one.
In my opinion, the sweet spot for technology/simplicity is behind us. Cars built between about 2000 and 2010 have simple port injected engines, very good engine management systems which result in very clean emissions, and generally no turbos. You can cost effectively keep one of these things running forever, and what happens is that the body and interior fall apart before the engine quits being cheap to maintain.
I'm a car guy, I love working on the things and hacking on engines and ECU's. Don't get me wrong, I think new cars are wonderful, but they're becoming tightly integrated systems with little in the way of user serviceable parts - throwaways like cell phones.
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#470Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except that some illnesses like cancer are avoidable, it's not just accidents. Except that buses and trains and horses and teslas kill people and pollute. Even bikes kill people. Every mode of transportation is a killer, so if you want to eliminate travel deaths you can only eliminate travel. If you eliminated cars completely tens of thousands would likely still die in the US from transportation accidents. But now yo…
The health benefits from riding bikes more than offset the dangers, especially when they're not forced to share lanes with road tanks piloted by people who don't take their driving responsibility seriously. Driving cars don't yield the same benefits. When you take that into account, driving is much more hazardous to your health. Also, forcing cities to accommodate cars via zoning has lead to a huge host of problems,…