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Re: Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

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Post by MrZeus »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #87
jk563 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which page are you referring to? I'd like to read but don't have time for the whole manifesto right now and I couldn't find it!

Page 82 of the document (the 2 pages before the conclusion paragraph). PDF link: https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/manifesto2017/Manifesto20...

Just a clarification: while it's page 82 of the paper document, it is actually page 84 of the PDF file. The chapter titled "A FRAMEWORK FOR DATA AND THE DIGITAL ECONOMY".

Here is a link that should take you straight to page 84 of the PDF (tested on Firefox and Chrome only):

https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/manifesto2017/Manifesto20...

Re: Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

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Post by 18RDThNx »

mattkevan wrote: post #41

As a British citizen, this makes me sick to my stomach. However, I'm probably in the minority. A few years ago I went to a debate about the Internet and how it affects families, and it was interesting and rather scary to hear people's attitudes. It seemed that a lot of people didn't fully understand what the Internet was, asking why it didn't have a watershed [1] like TV does. Despite good arguments being put forward…

Unfortunately many voters have no concept of liberty and what it means for those you disagree with. They're perfectly fine with using the hammer of the state to punish "immoral behavior."

Though how many would look a friend in the eye and say, "if you offend my sensibilities, I want you to be thrown in jail?" Hopefully few.

Re: Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

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Post by monk_e_boy »

vixen99 wrote: post #56
monk_e_boy wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting that there is a huge section of the UK population that this sort of thing appeals to. Out of touch with technology, terrified of change, disconnected with the younger generation. So many people vote without knowing the party policies. "My dad voted Tory, I vote Tory."

So you're confident you know the minds of a 'huge section of the UK population'? Well done! Watch out because a lot of organizations will now snap you up in return for mouth watering sums.

What other explanation do you have to the Tories winning by a landslide? The majority of voters like them I.e. a huge section of the UK population)

A large percentage of people under 25 don't vote.

Re: Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

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Post by arethuza »

nul_byte wrote: post #116
lb1lf wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about Scotland? (I am serious!) While we're veering OT fast, I really can't see Scotland staying in the Union once Brexit is complete. There's still going to be strong ties with England, given all the toing and froing over the centuries - so I'd expect it to be quite easy for someone English to stay in Scotland almost regardless of what deal is eventually cut with the rest of the EU.

I would honestly hold off on Scotland until its known how things will work out. Scotland's budget deficit is now 10% of GDP which is larger than that of Greece. To be a member of the EU it requires a deficit of no more than 3% of GDP.

Worth noting though that the budget deficit of all countries varies a lot over time and that the budget deficit as % of GDP of Scotland now is actually less than that of the UK in 2009-2010 and I didn't hear much about the UK being evicted from the EU because of that.

Re: Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

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Post by _delirium »

Pigo wrote: post #97
timecube wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turns out that in the real world, conservatives are far more dangerous for your freedoms than "SJW types".

I guess I'm misinterpreting all these antifa videos. Here I thought it was just a human thing, and both sides have the capability of pulling dumb, dangerous ideas out. No it's just conservatives right?

One important difference is that Theresa May is leader of a major western country, while Berkeley students you saw in a video on the internet aren't. This makes one of them a much more pressing threat.

True among people on the same "side" of the political spectrum too. The Tories' brand of authoritarian conservatism is much more dangerous than Westboro Baptist Church, for example. You can find Westboro advocating plenty of outrageous things, but they aren't in charge of a country.

Re: Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

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Post by chumali »

kbart wrote: post #55
basisword wrote: post #36

As much as I expect nanny-state behaviour from the Tory's this has blown me away. I thought the author may be exaggerating so I went and actually read the manifesto. It's only about one page near the end but it reads like something you'd expect from a dictatorial regime. It seems like after cutting us off from Europe via Brexit the government now wants to cut us off from the rest of the world. I just hope internet co…

"I just hope internet companies stand up the UK and refuse to do business here." I wouldn't bet my money on it, since UK ISP companies were quite happy following government's agenda (see porn filter and Internet history collection).

There is currently no legal requirement for UK ISPs to enable content filtering however all the major ISPs have agreed to voluntarily implement this. Whilst in theory users have an option to 'opt out' in practice most users are unaware of this and the process varies considerably depending on ISP.

As far as court ordered blocking, IIRC only the top 5 ISPs are currently required to implement this. Not sure what impact this has had on subscription rates for smaller providers.

Re: Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

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Post by fuzzybeard »

timecube wrote: post #93
Pigo wrote: post #78

I must admit I thought it was going to be about SJW types wanting to free us from harmful independent thought. I was surprised, but then I don't have a lot of context for British political parties.

Turns out that in the real world, conservatives are far more dangerous for your freedoms than "SJW types".

Not sure how it works in the UK, but here in the US there's a difference between "conservatives" and "Republicans". The key being that Republicans love big government when it's them in charge of it whereas conservatives want less government.

So from the conservative conferences I've attended, the general sentiment is that people DON'T want an authoritarian government watching them. Further right into Nationalism is where you get the "if you didn't do anything wrong you have nothing to hide" mentality.

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