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Re: Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

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Which page are you referring to? I'd like to read but don't have time for the whole manifesto right now and I couldn't find it!

Page 82 of the document (the 2 pages before the conclusion paragraph). PDF link: https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/manifesto2017/Manifesto20...

I like the idea of the digital land data at the top of that page! Thanks for the reference.

Re: Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which page are you referring to? I'd like to read but don't have time for the whole manifesto right now and I couldn't find it!

Page 82 of the document (the 2 pages before the conclusion paragraph). PDF link: https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/manifesto2017/Manifesto20...

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Re: Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

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I must admit I thought it was going to be about SJW types wanting to free us from harmful independent thought. I was surprised, but then I don't have a lot of context for British political parties.

Turns out that in the real world, conservatives are far more dangerous for your freedoms than "SJW types".

Re: Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

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Interesting. So on one side people are bashing the the level of censorship by the government and how people are unable to exercise certain rights. On the other side the same people are laughing at its ineffectiveness and how trivial it is to circumvent them and access information freely. One of them must surely be wrong? Btw, censoring of keywords and blocking of websites are two different issues. VPN solves the latt…

No, both can be right. Censorship can be ineffective, but circumventing it may still put your name on some list. And once you do get charged with something, that fact can easily come up. Also, VPNs are usually leaky. You can trivially identify many protocols, even under encryption. There was some researcher recently (sorry, can't find the link) identifying which movie is being streamed over encrypted link. Some netwo…

This is the research I think https://threatpost.com/netflixs-https-update-cant-combat-pas...

Re: Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

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The Chinese example where they have tens of thousands of people monitoring internet content and spend millions per year on filtering and blocking technology - and it can all be circumvented with a VPN.

It ultimately can't be, though. All it takes is for those governments to push for international enforcement of their laws for their own citizens (which already has precedent) allowing foreign subpoenas for IPs, or limit VPN use to require corporate/private licensure, or any number of other avenues of legal or technical attack, at least one of which is likely viable and already known to the Chinese as a contingency. P…

Not to mention the target you paint on your back by being in the minority of people who dare to try and circumvent the government "protections".

Re: Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

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post #78

I must admit I thought it was going to be about SJW types wanting to free us from harmful independent thought. I was surprised, but then I don't have a lot of context for British political parties.

Turns out that in the real world, conservatives are far more dangerous for your freedoms than "SJW types".

I guess I'm misinterpreting all these antifa videos. Here I thought it was just a human thing, and both sides have the capability of pulling dumb, dangerous ideas out. No it's just conservatives right?

Re: Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

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> "Our starting point is that online rules should reflect those that govern our lives offline" Of course they should, but if there are already those offline rules what prevents them to already enforce those rules online? Example. If hate speech is illegal offline in the UK, if somebody reports me for online hate speech I'm already in troubles. No special rules are needed. What are they aiming to, automate the enforce…

> Example. If hate speech is illegal offline in the UK, if somebody reports me for online hate speech I'm already in troubles. No special rules are needed.

UK law enforcement is having trouble getting US court orders, because the crime in the UK isn't a crime in the US. Thus people commit crimes in the UK, using US companies, and are evading UK law enforcement.

Mostly this doesn't matter so much (certainly not enough for Conservative's measures to make sense), but there are a few people making credible death threats or organising vigorous campaigns of harassment, so it'd be useful if there was a way to stop it happening.

Re: Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

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According to stats I found, it prevents https://www.statista.com/statistics/301204/top-markets-vpn-p... Edit: another one is pretty close as well: http://insight.globalwebindex.net/chart-of-the-day-90-millio... And that's just people who explicitly use it. With that kind of market penetration basically everyone knows what to do, or who to ask if they want to access some geoblocked service in the future.

According to my observations now here in China, your stats are wrong. Edit: Just to substantiate, many people I spoke to vaguely know what they would see if they get unfiltered internet, so there's not really much motivation to bypass GFW.

Sorry, but this is an anecdote. Do you have a source that shows some usage? I'd love to see that, whichever side it agrees with, but personal experiences rarely generalises to nations.

Re: Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

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I hate to repeat myself, but 1984 was not a how-to manual. At least in the US we have the pesky Constitution, which at least makes this sort of thing more difficult, but of course not impossible as we are seeing with the FCC.

Yes, thanks to heroes like Ajit Pai and the hilariously double-speak inspired "Restoring Internet Freedom Act", we are continuing to lay the foundations for serious, widespread censorship.
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