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Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

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Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

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Not sure about 'secret charges' but there are these recent charges. [1] [1] http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/20/politics/julian-assange-wi...

What base do these have? Assange isn't a US citizen, so he can't be charged for treason like Snowden and Manning. He just gained information and published it.

Neither Snowden nor Manning was charged with treason.

Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

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post #54

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Assange agenda was always anti-Americanism at expense of everyone else, so he just stayed true to himself. Many of his then liberal supporters were turning a blind eye to this, until it spectacularly bit them in the ass.

What about the "Macron leak"?

I think it's less Assange having a specific pro-Russian agenda and more him rather enjoying the opportunity to make trouble for politicians and Russian affiliates being more than happy to assist him with that. The traditional Russian term for political radicals whose agitation tended to serve their state's agenda despite very different ideals is popularly translated as "useful idiot"

Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

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post #70
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assange agenda was always anti-Americanism at expense of everyone else, so he just stayed true to himself. Many of his then liberal supporters were turning a blind eye to this, until it spectacularly bit them in the ass.

What about the "Macron leak"?

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Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

#104
post #14

What about the secret US charges? I honestly don't understand how in our democracy there is even such a concept as "secret charges". It just sounds mind-bogglingly corrupt and out of place.

They are not secret in that sense. Assange will know them when they are filed with the court.

I have a feeling that there's enough material to put him on trial in USA and he has gone tit-tat with many three-letter agencies. They have a long memory and don't like challengers. Whether he gets convicted or not that's another thing.

Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

#105
post #5

I wonder if the UK taxpayer will be asking some questions about the justifications of policing the embassy? A pretty abysmal ROI. So, will the police presence now simply disappear?

> So, will the police presence now simply disappear?

No. He is wanted by the UK courts for failing to appear when on bail and so will be arrested if he leaves the embassy.

Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

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post #76
post #66

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The defendant could choose not to answer any questions, so would it change anything?

It's one of the fundamentals of the Swedish legal system, you can't be sentenced in your absence or at least not without being heard

He was heard at the embassy, back in November.

Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

#107

That is very very bad for Sweden because it proves that it was a low class political game so Sweden cannot be viewed as an independent state.

No it does not prove any such thing.

It was blindingly obvious that it was. Sweden's reputation took a huge hit because of this incident, and rightly so. They should have resolved the matter within 6 months. But it became such a hot potato that they were willing to sacrifice a man's live, and demonstrated to the world that principles and truth is inconsequential when the bully is sitting on your chest. The stench of this shit will cling to Sweden for generations.

Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

#108
post #49

David Allen Green‏, Law and policy commentator at @FT: >It is now easier for US to obtain Assange's extradition, if they (ever) wanted it. >Now only UK's consent required, not UK and Sweden. https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/86550564980685619...

That assessment, though, is based on an assumption that Swedish authorities would have complied with Swedish law. Part of Assanges fear of going to Sweden, whether justified or not, is presumably that Sweden had a history of letting Swedish police get away with blatantly violating Swedish law in support of US rendition. One could argue that this risk is not real in his case, but that is/was not relevant to whether or not it affected Assange's concern about which country seemed safer.

Part of that fear was presumably based in the unusual persistence of the Swedish prosecutor, which implied something odd was going on. But that "something odd" might simply have been the prosecutors ambitions.

In any case, UK courts have a history of taking extradition hearings very seriously, and there are ample opportunities to appeal both to UK courts, the ECHR, and (for the time being) to the ECJ, so it'd by no means be easy to get him from the UK direct.

Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

#109
post #5

I wonder if the UK taxpayer will be asking some questions about the justifications of policing the embassy? A pretty abysmal ROI. So, will the police presence now simply disappear?

I really don't think ROI of individual cases should be a benchmark for the justice system (or, actually, a lot of the processes of democracy).

There are endless reasons against, but just to state an obvious one: prosecution should not depend on the subject's ability to raise the costs for the government–both because it would create an incentive for such shenanigans, as well further tilting the justice system in favour of the rich.

Re: Sweden drops Julian Assange rape investigation

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it does not prove any such thing.

It was blindingly obvious that it was. Sweden's reputation took a huge hit because of this incident, and rightly so. They should have resolved the matter within 6 months. But it became such a hot potato that they were willing to sacrifice a man's live, and demonstrated to the world that principles and truth is inconsequential when the bully is sitting on your chest. The stench of this shit will cling to Sweden for ge…

Whether Swedens's reputation took a hit is a matter of opinion.

If he was innocent why didn't he go back to Sweden and face the charges?

All the stuff about the risk of US extraditing him in nonsense, they'd find it easier to do from the UK.

All he did is use political asylum to avoid facing charges of a sexual assault.

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