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BBC Says It May Contact Your Boss If You Post Comments It Finds Problematic

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Re: BBC Says It May Contact Your Boss If You Post Comments It Finds Problematic

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I see no problem with giving someone a heads up that they've employed an asshole.

Who's your employer?

It's readily available if you google my name and usernames; available in my profile.

Re: BBC Says It May Contact Your Boss If You Post Comments It Finds Problematic

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter whose business it is, the BBC still can't use communication between you and the BBC to interfere in a relationship you have with your employer that is illegal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference

It's not really between you and the BBC, it's not private correspondence, it's a public post.

Its A) codified into a business contract, not the actions of a private individual B) the use of private metadata and C) the stipulation that BBC is the enforcement mechanism that is problematic here.

Otherwise the BBC would quickly find that when they are late paying the contractors who work on their website their credit cards mysteriously get charged for the services rendered.

Re: BBC Says It May Contact Your Boss If You Post Comments It Finds Problematic

#83
post #4

Seems like this is just a clumsy way of simply saying they are going to contact the administrator of the domain your account is associated with (which may be your employer, school, etc.)

Indeed. It seems that some people aren't twigging that the text quoted is part of a privacy policy. It's trying to explain one set of circumstances where the BBC will use and share "personal information" with others and what that may involve if one is (say) using the computers where one works or attends school and that's where tracking back one's IP address leads.

Compare Google's Privacy policy:

> We will share personal information with companies, organisations or individuals outside Google if we have a belief in good faith that access, use, preservation or disclosure of the information is reasonably necessary to:

> + meet any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request.

> + enforce applicable Terms of Service, including investigation of potential violations.

Or Facebook's:

> We may also access, preserve and share information when we have a good faith belief it is necessary to: detect, prevent and address fraud and other illegal activity; to protect ourselves, you and others, including as part of investigations; or to prevent death or imminent bodily harm.

Or Apple's:

> We may also disclose information about you if we determine that disclosure is reasonably necessary to enforce our terms and conditions or protect our operations or users.

Or Reddit's:

> We may share information if we believe your actions are inconsistent with our user agreements, rules, or other Reddit policies, or to protect the rights, property, and safety of ourselves and others;

Ironically, the BBC is somewhat clearer about whom the information might end up being disclosed to.

Re: BBC Says It May Contact Your Boss If You Post Comments It Finds Problematic

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post #83
post #4

Seems like this is just a clumsy way of simply saying they are going to contact the administrator of the domain your account is associated with (which may be your employer, school, etc.)

Indeed. It seems that some people aren't twigging that the text quoted is part of a privacy policy . It's trying to explain one set of circumstances where the BBC will use and share "personal information" with others and what that may involve if one is (say) using the computers where one works or attends school and that's where tracking back one's IP address leads. Compare Google's Privacy policy: > We will share per…

That's why I put in all my contracts that I may personally enforce fines and payment using the client's credit card info that I have incidentally acquired through managing their online services.

I sure hope that's legal!

Re: BBC Says It May Contact Your Boss If You Post Comments It Finds Problematic

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post #32

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The boundaries are fuzzy and subject to change. That doesn't mean there can be no standards of acceptability. Who defines the standards? In this case, the BBC.

And those standards to be defined by ... ???

The BBC. Someone's website isn't a public place. This isn't free speech.

Re: BBC Says It May Contact Your Boss If You Post Comments It Finds Problematic

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post #30

BBC may want to rethink that. Either it is illegal and then the police and courts are the place or it is legal and then it is none of their business. What they are threatening is when they perceive their TOS are violated that they use personal information and interfere in other relationships. This exposes the BBC to liability e.g. if the person is fired they may ask the BBC to pay up. See also: https://en.wikipedia.o…

Anything you choose to publish on the BBC's website is their business. It's not as though they're going around looking for naughty posts on third-party websites and tattling about it. There is no automatic right to anonymity when posting on someone else's website. If you post something publicly, surely the expectation is that you're fine with anyone seeing it. If the BBC chooses to share that with your boss, why is i…

You really don't see a difference between an individual sharing something about you and the same info coming from one of the biggest media corporations on earth straight to your boss?

Re: BBC Says It May Contact Your Boss If You Post Comments It Finds Problematic

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I'm no fan of the 'employer' part, because it places companies in a position as arbitrators of behaviour that they don't deserve. BUT: Considering the stuff I see people posting online, I do think it's such a cesspool of hatred, ill-will and really bad arguments that I am concerned how societies will continue to function, if these interactions become a routine part of civic society. In the past, your opinions, and st…

And who gets to decide what's comme il faut and what is not?

That's kinda the point, thank you very much.

There is a grey area of behaviour that cannot be pinned down with a blunt instrument like criminal law. These behaviours have traditionally been handled by the people witnessing them, and with an equally large spectrum of instruments from just a frown to social exclusion, etc.

So, to directly answer your question: nobody and everybody. By letting the people you actually interact with on a day-to-day basis know what you're writing online, the mechanisms of social control continue to function as they always have.

Re: BBC Says It May Contact Your Boss If You Post Comments It Finds Problematic

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Is this another TV detector van? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_detector_van

No, it is a WWW site privacy policy. YCombinator's is at http://www.ycombinator.com/legal/ . Others have been mentioned on this page.

You can compare to other privacy policies, and note the somewhat ironic fact that other privacy policies are quite woolly and vague about whom personal information will be disclosed to for the purposes of protecting the site, protecting its users, and enforcing terms and conditions of service. For all users know, these companies and organizations could be disclosing it to some randomly selected stranger in a faraway country. The U.K. Information Commissioner has some guidelines for privacy policies, and making it clear what sort of people personal information will be disclosed to is actually a good thing, even though the BBC has been somewhat inept about it.

* https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protectio...

Rather than the vague "we may disclose information" of Apple, Reddit, and their ilk, the BBC is trying to point out that the people that it may disclose information to are going to be the people discoverable from things like looking up one's IP addresses, which is going to include employers if one posts to the BBC site from company computers, schools if one does so from school computers, and so forth.

Re: BBC Says It May Contact Your Boss If You Post Comments It Finds Problematic

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tortious interference doesn't occur, in the slightest, whether the BBC carries out their threat or not. The hint is in the word "tortious." Explain the tort. Think about it: complaining to a manager at a fast food restaurant would result in liability for the customer in this world where tortious interference bizarrely applies.

This is like complaining to a manager at a fast food restaurant because of some personal problem with the fast food employee, outside of the context of being served by that employee. The perpetrator is "getting even" with that person by trying to stir up problems for them at work. Maybe they met at a party last weekend, and the one insulted the other's girlfriend or whatever; nothing to do with hamburgers. If you hav…

It's not like fast food restaurants at all. This is a privacy policy. And it is like (say) the privacy policy that covers people with accounts at Japan Today, which says:

> We reserve the right to use or share information in order to investigate, prevent, or take action regarding illegal activities, suspected fraud, situations involving potential threats to the physical safety of any person, violations of Japan Today Terms of Use, or as otherwise required by law.

The difference is that unlike Japan Today, and other privacy policies mentioned elsewhere on this page, the BBC is trying to tell you whom the information will be disclosed to, pursuant to the guidelines from the U.K. Information Commissioner on privacy policies, but somewhat ineptly. Japan Today tells you that it may "share information", but nothing whatsoever about whom that is likely to be with. The BBC is trying to tell you whom it is likely to be sharing information with.

And it should come as no surprise that if you are posting from a work computer, one of the people it is going to be sharing the information with is the company that your IP address backtracks to.

Re: BBC Says It May Contact Your Boss If You Post Comments It Finds Problematic

#90
Unless my post is related to my workplace, I am certain my employer would just tell them to play hide and go f themselves and to stop wasting their time.

This seems to me an attempt to get folks spun up talking about the BBC. Are they hurting for money?

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