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Daryl Bem Proved ESP Is Real, Science Is Broken

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Re: Daryl Bem Proved ESP Is Real, Science Is Broken

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Post by tome »

dracht wrote: post #9
ouid wrote: post #6

>For the rest of that semester and into the one that followed, Wu and the other women tested hundreds of their fellow undergrads. Most of the subjects did as they were told, got their money, and departed happily. A few students—all of them white guys, Wu remembers—would hang around to ask about the research and to probe for flaws in its design. Wu still didn’t believe in ESP, but she found herself defending the exper…

I stopped reading there. You have got to give them credit for being able to inject some "white guys ugh am i right" message regardless of the story. Slate is garbage.

It's a shame you stopped because the rest of the article is very interesting. (SPOILER: The mainsplainers are proved correct)

Re: Daryl Bem Proved ESP Is Real, Science Is Broken

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Post by greglindahl »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #4

Just like calling every person who can whip up some html and JavaScript an "Engineer" is bad for the reputation of Engineering as a whole, so calling everything that has statistics and is peer reviewed "science" is bad for the reputation of science. I think a lot of damage to science has come from psychology and "social sciences" in corroboration with the popular press when one-off studies are popularized with suppos…

You've never heard the old saw that everything with science in the name isn't? That comes from the same sentiment that you're expressing.

Re: Daryl Bem Proved ESP Is Real, Science Is Broken

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Post by cafard »

dracht wrote: post #9
ouid wrote: post #6

>For the rest of that semester and into the one that followed, Wu and the other women tested hundreds of their fellow undergrads. Most of the subjects did as they were told, got their money, and departed happily. A few students—all of them white guys, Wu remembers—would hang around to ask about the research and to probe for flaws in its design. Wu still didn’t believe in ESP, but she found herself defending the exper…

I stopped reading there. You have got to give them credit for being able to inject some "white guys ugh am i right" message regardless of the story. Slate is garbage.

But as somebody else points out, it might be the finest tribute Slate gives to white guy mansplainers this month.

[edit: I fit at least two out of three descriptors...]

Re: Daryl Bem Proved ESP Is Real, Science Is Broken

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Post by mankash666 »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #7
mankash666 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything that's peer reviewed and backed by statistics is science. This article is stating that the (non) statistics used by the author, a.k.a cherry picking, is the root of fake results. If indeed one could replicate the results every single time, over a large population, then ESP would hold true. But that obviously fell flat on its face when the Berkeley coders backed it up with their online experiment

So if Viking A measured thunder when it was cloudy vs clear, did some statistics and concluded with a sufficient P value that Thor was more likely to swing his hammer when it was cloudy, and then got a bunch of his buddies to agree his math was ok, you would call that science?

Peer review!= Collusion from buddies. What you describe here is collusion
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