Dude. It just means that if you abuse from email@example.com, then example.com is going to be informed that you're spamming from them or whatever.
BBC Says It May Contact Your Boss If You Post Comments It Finds Problematic
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#12If you post harassing comments, this probably should happen. People are going to be concerned about free speech, but harassment isn't free speech, and I honestly don't believe it's a "slippery slope".
What do you mean when you say you don't believe it's a "slippery slope"? That the proper boundaries are obvious to everyone? I think the reason this is okay is that notifying a school or employer of your behavior is not the same as persecution.
I see no problem with giving someone a heads up that they've employed an asshole.
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#13Seems like this is just a clumsy way of simply saying they are going to contact the administrator of the domain your account is associated with (which may be your employer, school, etc.)
Exactly. We may block your account, and send an email to something like webmaster@yourdomain.com. If that happens to be your boss's email address, that's your problem.
The article says:
"the BBC may use your personal information to inform relevant third parties such as your employer, school email/internet provider"
If your comment was what they intended, they would have just referred to "e-mail provider".
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#14I heard the heck outta that.
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#15If you post harassing comments, this probably should happen. People are going to be concerned about free speech, but harassment isn't free speech, and I honestly don't believe it's a "slippery slope".
The problem comes down to the definition of "harassment". I've encountered my fair share of people, some in positions of authority and/or should know better, who honestly believe that disagreement or impolite comments constitute "harassment". Frankly, I'm not at all comfortable with a global media outlet reserving the right to try to get people fired in private for internet comments.
How about we start with racism? Some things are a grey area but some are downright harassment.
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#16If you post harassing comments, this probably should happen. People are going to be concerned about free speech, but harassment isn't free speech, and I honestly don't believe it's a "slippery slope".
> If you post or send offensive, inappropriate or objectionable content Unfortunately it's not confined to simply "harassment" but anything "offensive, inappropriate or objectionable" by their own wording, which is highly subjective. If there's a legal issue, BBC should contact law enforcement, but beyond that informing others feels entirely punitive.
BBC staff caught watching TV without a TV liscense are subject to instant dismissal. Been the case for eons that company rule and that seems perfectly fair. But that is clear cut and defined upfront in the employment contract. This as you highlight is subjective and no clearly defined lines and that as you say is the job of the police. Indeed this action by them does open them up to the police being involved against them.
If anything, this opens up many opportunities of abuse from nefarious and mischief inclined people.
Lesson to take from this is, don't do personal stuff upon work computers period. That should be the take away message about this type of issue. Remember many an employment contract prohibit that and it is often overlooked if not abused, this may just become that abuse nail example you encounter with HR. Let alone the security aspects for you and your employer, your cloud drive getting a malware payload not impossible and vice versa.
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#17BBC may want to rethink that. Either it is illegal and then the police and courts are the place or it is legal and then it is none of their business. What they are threatening is when they perceive their TOS are violated that they use personal information and interfere in other relationships. This exposes the BBC to liability e.g. if the person is fired they may ask the BBC to pay up. See also: https://en.wikipedia.o…
Why is it "none of the BBC's business" when you send hate mail to the BBC? Haven't you made it their business?
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#18If so, I have a feeling that all those disclaimers stating "my opinions do not represent my employer's views" are going to have a very different meaning.
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#19I'm no fan of the 'employer' part, because it places companies in a position as arbitrators of behaviour that they don't deserve.
BUT: Considering the stuff I see people posting online, I do think it's such a cesspool of hatred, ill-will and really bad arguments that I am concerned how societies will continue to function, if these interactions become a routine part of civic society.
In the past, your opinions, and statements were moderated by your peers, i. e. friends, family, or even strangers (but face-to-face). Sure, that meant a certain degree of self-censorship in some cases. But apart from some anarchists notion of "free speech", I have yet to see anything good emerging from the cauldron of freedom (see /r/the_donald for reference).
Anonymously posting hate-filled comments or fake conspiracies is probably legal, but that doesn't mean it's good. It has real costs, both in how it may hurt those it wants to hurt, as well as the toll it has taken on the political narrative. There needs to be a mechanism to include the author in the fallout from his comments.
The best I can think of would be connecting posts to the author's Facebook profile. If your friends all see the stuff you write at bbc.co.uk, you'll be a bit more circumspect in what you say.
Generally, posts that the author would be ashamed of if their mother read them are probably something we can do without.
Ideally, we should come up with a mechanism that respects the idea that we all have multiple public personas, i. e. it's completely legitimate to ask a question on a sexual health forum but you still don't want your family to see it. But these 'personas' shouldn't be license to act without taking responsibility for the consequences.
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#20Wow, that's confusing. I know that I know very little about U.K. law, so I would appreciate if someone there could answer: - Do employers typically have law-enforcement duties? - Is there a legal presumption of innocence---until proven otherwise---as there is in the U.S.? - Besides TV Licenses, is the BBC a judicial entity? I'm just trying to understand why the BBC may notify a non-law-enforcement agency about a poss…
> why the BBC may notify a non-law-enforcement agency about a possible violation of law
Well, they are journalists, after all :)
More seriously: these is a ton of stuff that happens that is both completely legal and somewhat bad. In the past, this grey area was policed by the community, using standards such as "politeness" or "etiquette" and sanctions such as "no longer inviting that idiot".