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Re: Android O Beta Program

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Post by EnderMB »

biokoda wrote: post #68
schwank wrote: post #8

My Nexus 6P died last night after Given the short support curve for most Android devices from Google and especially from third parties, that device is quite likely to be an iPhone. What was unthinkable to me just a few short years ago is now reality... I type this on a MBP and I might be convert my phone platform now as well. A true testament to the constant change in the marketplace, and the need to evaluate based o…

One plus is the best choice. Great hardware, reasonable price, up-to-date Android no horrible skins on top of stock.

My OnePlus One is still going strong, and is as fast as ever.

I'm tempted by the OnePlus Five, but I may wait a few months to see if there are any issues before I purchase one. The customer support at OnePlus is notoriously poor, so I'm keen to wait for the second batch to arrive off the factory floor.

Re: Android O Beta Program

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Post by lorenzhs »

EnderMB wrote: post #81
biokoda wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One plus is the best choice. Great hardware, reasonable price, up-to-date Android no horrible skins on top of stock.

My OnePlus One is still going strong, and is as fast as ever. I'm tempted by the OnePlus Five, but I may wait a few months to see if there are any issues before I purchase one. The customer support at OnePlus is notoriously poor, so I'm keen to wait for the second batch to arrive off the factory floor.

Eh, I liked my OnePlus One well in the beginning, but then the touch screen wouldn't work outside in summer, and failed completely after less than a year. Their customer service was much worse in those days (this was nearly two years ago), so I replaced it myself with an aftermarket screen until that one died a year later, too, though I obviously can't blame OnePlus for that. A friend who also has a OPO had to replace the bottom logic board because his microphone stopped working. Glad to hear yours works fine.

OnePlus provides impressive specs per dollar, and their phones are really nice 95% of the time. The last 5% is where they lost me.

Re: Android O Beta Program

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Post by pas »

lorenzhs wrote: post #82
EnderMB wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My OnePlus One is still going strong, and is as fast as ever. I'm tempted by the OnePlus Five, but I may wait a few months to see if there are any issues before I purchase one. The customer support at OnePlus is notoriously poor, so I'm keen to wait for the second batch to arrive off the factory floor.

Eh, I liked my OnePlus One well in the beginning, but then the touch screen wouldn't work outside in summer, and failed completely after less than a year. Their customer service was much worse in those days (this was nearly two years ago), so I replaced it myself with an aftermarket screen until that one died a year later, too, though I obviously can't blame OnePlus for that. A friend who also has a OPO had to replac…

I don't think that iPhones are significantly better. 2-3 out of 100 will die completely (motherboard/screen) in about a year.

Probably the classic infant mortality curve, just as my OnePlus 1 is going strong, a lot of my friends' still have their older phones, because they still work flawlessly.

Re: Android O Beta Program

#84

Post by pas »

forkbomb_ wrote: post #44
taeric wrote: post #6

No nexus 6 support. Sad face. The shelf life of phones is embarrassingly low. For no apparent reason.

The real issue for the Nexus 6 is that Qualcomm has completely abandoned their 32-bit mobile platforms. Look for "8084" here: https://wiki.codeaurora.org/xwiki/bin/QAEP/release - the Snapdragon 805 hasn't received a release since August 2016. So, Google did an in-house bringup for 7.0 - and "normal" OEMs aren't able to do that. Qualcomm usually provides a lot of pre-compiled binaries to the OEM, which either require…

And do they need a new kernel so desperately?

I don't understand the problems with backward compatibility. They already provide it via the Android SDK (the support library).

Java/Dex/Dalvik/ART or whatever it's called now that runs the shit works on Linux 3.0 probably. (Android 2.3 was released with Linux 2.6.35 [+ patches, I assume && hope], and that's currently the lowest supported API Level (that is api level 9)).

Re: Android O Beta Program

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Post by pas »

on_and_off wrote: post #21
spun wrote: post #17

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Aren't we comparing apples and oranges here? This is the O Beta. I'm sure O will be supported on the Nexus 6 once it's officially out.

It is apple and oranges. The situation is pretty complex but the support libs & play services are available on virtually all devices (API 9+ IIRC, but anything older would not be able to run most modern apps).

Does the same applies to old iPhones? Can the iPhone 5 run the most recent version of let's say the Facebook/Messenger app?

Re: Android O Beta Program

#86

Post by lorenzhs »

pas wrote: post #83
lorenzhs wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, I liked my OnePlus One well in the beginning, but then the touch screen wouldn't work outside in summer, and failed completely after less than a year. Their customer service was much worse in those days (this was nearly two years ago), so I replaced it myself with an aftermarket screen until that one died a year later, too, though I obviously can't blame OnePlus for that. A friend who also has a OPO had to replac…

I don't think that iPhones are significantly better. 2-3 out of 100 will die completely (motherboard/screen) in about a year. Probably the classic infant mortality curve, just as my OnePlus 1 is going strong, a lot of my friends' still have their older phones, because they still work flawlessly.

Maybe it was just bad luck. But 2-3% failure rate sounds very high, can you provide a link with more information?

Re: Android O Beta Program

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Post by sorenjan »

forkbomb_ wrote: post #44
taeric wrote: post #6

No nexus 6 support. Sad face. The shelf life of phones is embarrassingly low. For no apparent reason.

The real issue for the Nexus 6 is that Qualcomm has completely abandoned their 32-bit mobile platforms. Look for "8084" here: https://wiki.codeaurora.org/xwiki/bin/QAEP/release - the Snapdragon 805 hasn't received a release since August 2016. So, Google did an in-house bringup for 7.0 - and "normal" OEMs aren't able to do that. Qualcomm usually provides a lot of pre-compiled binaries to the OEM, which either require…

The Pixel phones use Qualcomm's flagship 64-bit SoCs, and they have a last update date of October 2018. Google's update policy is not good enough, especially now when they've started to charge premium prices.

Re: Android O Beta Program

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Post by pas »

lorenzhs wrote: post #86
pas wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that iPhones are significantly better. 2-3 out of 100 will die completely (motherboard/screen) in about a year. Probably the classic infant mortality curve, just as my OnePlus 1 is going strong, a lot of my friends' still have their older phones, because they still work flawlessly.

Maybe it was just bad luck. But 2-3% failure rate sounds very high, can you provide a link with more information?

No, sorry, it's pretty much a hunch/guess/anecdote/observation.

I only found software rates https://www.blancco.com/resources/rs-state-of-mobile-device-... though I know nothing of the veracity of this ... study.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/218777/failure-rates-for... ..

Ah, finally something a bit more relevant: https://www.squaretrade.com/cell-phone-comparison-study-nov-... 2% for iPhone 4.

Re: Android O Beta Program

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Post by pingec »

fulafel wrote: post #59
jknightco wrote: post #9

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Just to provide a counterpoint: I'm still rocking a 3.5 year old Nexus 5 with almost zero evidence of its age (the battery discharges a bit faster than it used to but it's not noticeable enough to even warrant a new battery).

You have been out of security support for a long time - apps, web pages and video clips can pwn your device.

This is terrible. I too have this phone and it still works perfectly, no repairs have been required. Are we now supposed to buy a new phone every year? Every two years? This is getting absurd.

Also, Windows at least tells you that support for your version is coming to an end. Google/Android has not notified me in any way that my device is not being supported anymore, that new updates will not be coming, what that might mean for me and what they suggest I should do.

Re: Android O Beta Program

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Post by pawadu »

plaguuuuuu wrote: post #66
fulafel wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have been out of security support for a long time - apps, web pages and video clips can pwn your device.

That's surprisingly terrible. Unbelievable. To think that Google can't even support its own devices after 3 years whilst the Linux ecosystem supports a silly number of devices and platforms, substantially on a volunteer basis

Speaking of voluntarily basis, here is 7.1.1 on the N5:

https://download.lineageos.org/hammerhead

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